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Difference between KotakuInAction.win and KotakuInAction2.win?
posted 2 years ago by endersshadow 2 years ago by endersshadow +32 / -0

Sorry if this has been asked before, but now that we are on the .win network, is there a reason these two are still separate things?

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– veus_dolt 7 points 2 years ago +8 / -1

If the mods here will allow it, here's a thread from kia2.win on the same question:

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/GIJGCGXq/difference-between-kia-and-kia2/c/

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– HandofBane 0 points 2 years ago +7 / -7

Not removing this, but I am going to point out the misinterpretations and outright falsehoods in that top reply, since it keeps getting quoted around on TD itself, and elsewhere.

It is impossible to oppose these things without opposing leftism itself. Virtually all bad journalism and censorship is coming from the left.

False, it's just easier to find this shit coming from the left because the left has a larger mainstream presence. Censorship runs rampant on the right, too - just look at what Saidit, Gab and Parler have been adding to their list of things they consider censor-worthy after claiming to be homes for free speech.

The mods leaned more left

At last tally, our mod team was about 1/3 right wing, 1/3 left wing, and 1/3 yuropoors of various leanings. That may have actually drifted more right in recent months, as one of our lefties has decided he's probably voting Trump this year for various reasons.

they became obsessed with making sure the sub did not become "another T_D". So they implemented a ridiculously vague rule of "no unrelated politics". They then used this rule to remove content that was absolutely relevant but supported conservativism.

"No Unrelated Politics" was originally offered up and voted on by the userbase to be added as a rule because of a wave of spam from the folks at /r/Sanders4President, back at the end of 2015. We recognized we had a broad political mix of users from all across the spectrum, and didn't want to alienate any of them including the right wingers at the time that were getting annoyed at the leftie spam. Part of the issue was that political posts that had absolutely nothing to do with gaming, journalism ethics, or similar were being posted that nearly every time turned into tribal shit flinging between different political factions over things that had nothing to do with KiA itself. We implemented the rule to curtail that kind of thing before it happened. There's an old saying that if you want to keep your friends, you don't talk politics, religion or sex at the dinner table - that was the theory we have been operating around.

At one point, the mods actually put the rules to a vote. The users overwhelmingly opposed the absurd content removals.

Another misrepresentation. The vote was originally between three options intended to cut back on some wildly tangential posts that kept on causing the tribal fighting I mentioned in the last point. A last minute decision was made by the then-head mod (I had retired for almost a year before coming back, this was during that timeframe) to add a fourth option "no further changes" with it being made clear in the replies that there may be a need for changes later if this did not resolve the issues that were attempting to be fixed.

The mods didn't care. They ignored the results of the vote and continued arbitrarily removing content.

The mods stuck with the vote result of "make no further changes" for about two months, until the issues that were trying to be addressed erupted to the point that either something had to be done, or they were going to be forced to ban dozens of users for breaking Rule 1 (don't be a dick) due to that same unrelated political tribal shit flinging causing people to constantly attack each other over things that had - at their core - nothing to do with KiA.

On a related note: the Kia mods lost their shit when users started talking trash about polyamory. I can't imagine the mods would have behaved this way unless one or more of them were engaged in the polyamorous lifestyle. We might have been dealing with literal cucks.

Only bringing this one in because it's something that parts of the KiA2 crowd love to mention so they can pretend that they have any idea what goes on in the personal lives of mods here. One of our mods had been involved in poly stuff in the past... as the bull in a relationship. But recognizing that possibility would shatter any attempt at painting the KiA mods as "evil sjw cucks".

Kotakuinaction2 was created as a lifeboat for those who abandoned the increasingly garbage moderation of Kia.

We actually encouraged the split when it happened, in part because it meant most of the users causing the biggest tribal-based issues attacking other users would have a place they could vent on that we would no longer have to warn/ban them or the people they picked fights with for breaking Rule 1. It became a self-selecting containment sub. There were some users who went over that had legitimate concerns about parts of Rule 3 (our posting guidelines), and we felt the need to address that to the point where we actually hired on one of those critics from KiA2 as part of our mod team (and another critic who stayed on KiA without making the jump to 2) to help revamp Rule 3 dramatically, to permit a lot of content that had been inadvertently caught and blocked that should have been allowed to get through. That was about 8 months ago we hired them on, and we made the Rule 3 revamp around 6 months ago. We also intend to thin it down a bit more over the next few weeks here, as we get this site more fully functional and get settled in.

kia2 mods are stridently free speech (to the extent that Reddit permits

The great irony there is that KiA2 on reddit actually censored more than we did, making several words forbidden, regardless of context. We may have slapped people for being anti-semitic shitheads using echoes, but we never banned the use of words like "faggot" or "tranny".

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– veus_dolt 1 point 2 years ago +3 / -2

i honestly just wasn't sure if it was within the rules or not, neither intended to endores or detract from anyone's perspective/interpretation of things etc.

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– H_Guderian 1 point 2 years ago +3 / -2

In the Culture War that sparked GG, what are Unrelated Politics?

As to the content votes "These rules were intended because we don't trust the people to come here to generate the content we want them to."

You say: "Part of the issue was that political posts that had absolutely nothing to do with gaming, journalism ethics, or similar were being posted that nearly every time turned into tribal shit flinging between different political factions over things that had nothing to do with KiA itself. We implemented the rule to curtail that kind of thing before it happened."

Listen, it was Reddit. If someone posted something and it got upvoted and made it to the top - That is how this kind of system works! If a funny post or a tangent post made it to the top maybe it was just a slow news day and people were upvoting a laugh.

KiA was neutered by stuffing it into a little safe box. At one point KiA was the leading edge of the culture war, mentioned by name. For the most part it became long forgotten, just reposting news articles from other places.

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– Txiribiton 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Say what you want but the karma rules only allows the system to be played and destroyed, a tool for astroturfers, trolls and bots.

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– Shadist 0 points 2 years ago +3 / -3

Only bringing this one in because it's something that parts of the KiA2 crowd love to mention so they can pretend that they have any idea what goes on in the personal lives of mods here. One of our mods had been involved in poly stuff in the past... as the bull in a relationship. But recognizing that possibility would shatter any attempt at painting the KiA mods as "evil sjw cucks".

Going to add one thing here... the real issue I have with this particular mistelling of theirs is that it's flat out a lie.

Someone was warned and before starting to write this I couldn't t even remember for what, and in the warning message I made a off-hand comment about what they were saying was wrong judging by my experiences in poly circles.

Two loves to bring this up as me taking action for something said about poly while doing their utmost to avoid the fact that the person was clearly warned for something else. They also have an interesting habbit of not being able to remember what happened and sometimes bringing up me banning someone for this.

So I present to you their proof!

Which is found on their own sub here

So looking at the image you see me warning someone for insulting another user, a clear violation of R1 both there and here.

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