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posted ago by HandofBane [M] ago by HandofBane +71 / -3

So there's some recent major reddit drama at the admin level involving a recently hired admin turning out to have hired their now-convicted pedo father post-arrest during a brief journey into Britbong politics. This has completely exploded over the last couple days after posts on /r/ukpolitics were force-removed, a moderator was suspended (then later reinstated) for linking to an article from the Spectator, and there have been horrifically broad automod rules implemented which were nuking any links to that and more articles, alongside accusations made regarding this admin by name (username and IRL name).

Now, we aren't getting into the weeds on the accusations, but the overwhelming admin level response to them, including mass comment hard nukes (they show up for moderators as [removed] and cannot be reapproved at all), mass user suspensions, as well as the hard block on links to actual news sites (IIRC the Spectator, Independent, and a couple others were included) is something we cannot remotely condone. There's such a thing as a proportional response, and this from the admins is not it.

To add to the mess, we recently felt it necessary to implement a broad "no transgender discussion of any kind" policy on KiA (Reddit, not here) to head off the rather insane Anti-Evil removals and warnings/suspensions issued, including a warning issued to me personally for using the term "chick-with-a-dick" in reference to Polly from HuniePop2 as "promoting hate". When I approached the admins to get clarification on their policy, including a request for a full list of what they consider to be "trans-related slurs", I was given the run around with half-scripted answers before I asked to be escalated to a senior community team member. My request was never escalated, and it now turns out that the admin who gave me the run around was the admin at the center of all this drama. That makes the admin decision a total conflict of interest regarding actual sitewide policy enforcement.

All this put together - the bans, hard comment removals, link blocks, and the direct policy interactions with this admin - have caused us to make the decision to speak up the best way we can to make reddit take notice, by going private alongside hundreds of other subs for at least a day (we will see if it goes longer or not). We just have one benefit that most other subs do not in that we can link to a post here to more clearly explain why we are doing this, instead of just relying on a link to another post on reddit by someone who is not completely representative of our position.

A few of us will be around on and off today to maybe answer some questions, though this is almost fully in the laps of the admins to decide if they are going to continue fucking up their enforcement policies, counter to how things have been run in their own rules regarding public figures for years. Our own Rules 2 and 5 regarding personal info of people were built on the original interpretation of those sitewide rules with admin help. Going completely counter to that makes it impossible for anyone to enforce rules evenly, and the admins need to pull their collective heads out of their asses to understand that.

EDIT: So the admins sacrificed the employee on the altar to appease the masses, but failed to actually address any of the real issues this mess created around sitewide rules, automated moderation, etc. We are going to stay aimed at a target of roughly 24hours of staying private, in hopes that something gets addressed by a redname on that side of things. So figure somewhere in the 5am US Eastern timeframe, give or take, then the sub should be public again.

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ErikaThePaladin 28 points ago +28 / -0

Hahaha, fuck the entirety of the Reddit rednames. I thought the extremely strict "can't say anything bad about trans people" rule to be weird, and of course it's because they hired a mentally ill person with extremely thin skin.

I strongly believe that no one is above criticism, regardless of who they are or what "group" they belong to. People trying to silence dissident like this have something to hide. A failed politician of a trans woman with a pedo father and a pedo husband definitely has a lot of skeletons in their closet.

The fact that the rednames are going the extra mile to protect this person from any criticism is disgusting. All because she's a tranny and has the "correct" politics. Frankly, it really disturbs me how frequently I see pedophilia overlap with transgenderism... I know not all trans people are sickos like this, but seeing how people areb unwilling to oust these bad actors is what really harms the "LGBT community".

I am disgusted and angry with Reddit.

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M37h3w3 14 points ago +14 / -0

The fact that the rednames are going the extra mile to protect this person from any criticism is disgusting.

And the fact that it gets protected rather than called out makes the moral justice warriors of old look like they were right all along when it comes to LGBT people and issues.

Frankly, it really disturbs me how frequently I see pedophilia overlap with transgenderism...

Hot take but I get the feeling that they're not actually trans but that their mind is just fucked. A pedo father? A pedo boyfriend? Safe bet says that she was molested as a child and her mind was fucked because of it. Being trans in this case is just the fucked up mind expressing itself.

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MisterSchlomo 10 points ago +10 / -0

Hot take but I get the feeling that they're not actually trans but that their mind is just fucked. A pedo father? A pedo boyfriend? Safe bet says that she was molested as a child and her mind was fucked because of it. Being trans in this case is just the fucked up mind expressing itself.

Absolutely agree. If you sometimes go down rabbit holes you notice this trend a lot by the way. For example, yesterday I learned about the final fantasy house. Most people involved in this came from abusive households, and guess what, a lot them were trans.

And I've seen this a lot. No one can tell me that there isn't a connection (ofc not always, but often). Thats why proper mental health care could fix a lot of these people before they put hormones in their body or get their dong cut off.

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KiTA 8 points ago +8 / -0

What I don't get is after the Assigned Male artist was outed last week for creating child pornography diaper fetish art using photos of real kids, this is like the 4th Trans pedophile who is also into "ADBL" -- aka, "the fetish of wearing diapers."

That's a supremely weird coincidence. How many diaper shitting pedophile transsexuals are there out there, and how come they're seemingly constantly rising to the top of that er, subculture?

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Egg_sammich 2 points ago +2 / -0

welp, trans people turned out be more screwed up than i thought. they really went the extra mile by shitting on themselves.

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CnnWillBlackmailYou 4 points ago +7 / -3

*he

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HandofBane [S] 12 points ago +13 / -1

Yeah, and it's really fucking hard to explain in detail why a rule is being implemented if we can't get into better detail on it all because detail somehow seems to violate sitewide policy regardless of context. This has been an ongoing trend with admin enforcement for at least the last year, probably longer.

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Orgell 11 points ago +11 / -0

They seem to be backing off on the "automated Response"; OOTL has a post up (for many hours, now), with all the receipts, names, etc.

Of course, the bottom half of the comments has devolved into the standard #NotAllTrans, and "I bet the people bitching are TERFs" kaka.

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tyren22 9 points ago +9 / -0

Transtrenders seem to have won the progressive stack just by virtue of the fact that social climbers and manipulative shitheads can just pretend to be trans and rake in the oppression points to force people to listen to them, while the couple of people who tried to claim "trans-blackness" were openly mocked at best.

I've had a fair number of trans friends over the years who were completely reasonable and the ones I know now hate the current state of the online "trans community" because it's just one big circlejerk where all you have to do is claim to be trans and suddenly you can do no wrong ever.

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MisterSchlomo 17 points ago +17 / -0

Well the good news is this has finally motivated me to create an account here.

Hopefully I'm not the only one.

Fuck reddit btw

Edit: I wouldn't be surprised if the admin in question was the admin who handed out the warnings for stuff like "transactivists were the worst thing to happen to trans people", because the admin is the personification of a trans activist.

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tyren22 9 points ago +9 / -0

I made my account when the lifeboat was first announced, but I never posted with it before today.

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MattvanderIver 5 points ago +5 / -0

Same here.

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Calico_fox 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well I originally created mean for The_Donald (which I now regret) but am thankfully I have for times like this.

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NeoTechni 8 points ago +8 / -0

Hopefully I'm not the only one

You're not.

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Taluien 6 points ago +6 / -0

He ain't.

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Jaltos 5 points ago +5 / -0

Whelp, this finally made me create an account here.

Now, let's hope people post more here too.

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MisterSchlomo 14 points ago +14 / -0

gotta get my postcount up.

I'd like to mention that I immediately thought after hearing about all this shit: "I bet thats the admin the KIA mod talked to lmao"

And i was right. What a MESS.

Talking about mess, read this shit if you really want to know what kind of people are there in the reddit admins (nsfw): https://web.archive.org/web/20210324131835/https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/ashton-challenor-the-boy-who-disappeared

The boy is the admin in question.

The amount of degeneracy in the communities these people exist in is off the charts.

There is more on that blog that leads you down the rabbithole of these people. Its furry shit, diaperkinks, and more! Fun for the family, depending on the family

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Klaus73 6 points ago +6 / -0

To be honest (and this is not meant to anger homosexuals) but why is it that every pride parade has folks being pulled on leashes or in bondage gear - is that seriously things that define gay pride? I mean I thought people wanted the government out of their bedroom; but then they try to bring their bedroom into the public square and frankly - it does seem kind of like just general degeneracy to make a public display like that. I mean I am fine with folks having their kinks - but I think there is a time and a place for it...and limits of course (sorry pedos)

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Calico_fox 3 points ago +3 / -0

From what I've read/heard elsewhere Pride got taken over by a bunch of narcissists who said "Fuck you!" to conformity (I.e. being a upstanding citizen) an as such felt it wasn't enough to just be proud of being gay, thus leading to them putting their kinks on full display, believing doing so was somehow "Brave" when in reality it completely betrays not only the point of the parade but the whole Gay Pride movement which show people that they're like everyone else instead of the utter sexual deviants once previously believed by society.

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smellyfuckingasstits 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is a good starting point if you’re actually interested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

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ErikaThePaladin 3 points ago +3 / -0

That stuff bothered me, which is why I never attended any pride parades. I think it's part of why people think we're just a bunch of perverts and deviants.

I just want to hold my wife's hand in public, not put her on a leash!

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Klaus73 3 points ago +3 / -0

Its weird because for the longest time I never really interacted with people who were gay (I just really never encountered many) after high school - the one gay guy I knew in high school was in dance class with me (we had a dressing room for just the two of us - it was awesome) and he was nothing like what I feel Pride sort of stamps as "gay pride" - then I moved to the major city and saw a Pride parade in action and was a bit gob-smacked.

And I agree - you should be entirely permitted to engage in public shows of affections within the same boundaries of every other orientation without repercussion; I mean long as your being reasonable about it - which I kind of think pride parades really aren't and think that is where that whole straight pride troll comes from.

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broncoli 2 points ago +2 / -0

It was never about "tolerance" and "acceptance" - that was just the camel's nose under the tent.

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CrankyDClown 5 points ago +5 / -0

And here I thought I was inured against just about anything on the internet.

Jesus wept.

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AvoidingTheList 4 points ago +4 / -0

Moderator of r/Pokegirls, truly a great tragedy.

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TheLostBeerKeg 4 points ago +4 / -0

Holy fuck, what did I just read? That makes me sick.

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tyren22 4 points ago +7 / -3

To be honest, while I find their fetishes pretty disgusting, I don't see much value in going down a rabbit hole of "someone the admin knows has nasty kinks." I'm more disturbed by the fact they'd engage in their kinkshit publicly in a way that can be tied back to their real names than by the fact that they have weird fetishes. There doesn't seem to be much point in bringing those up when you could just bring up, you know, the pedophilia.

I mean, she not only hired her father after he was arrested for child abuse and rape (which he committed in his house while she was living under his roof), she filed him under a false name on the paperwork with the political party. She 100% knew what he had done. That's all that needs to be said.

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MattvanderIver 0 points ago +4 / -4

Yeah. I'm not a fan of guilt by association. I think she can love and support her husband while not agreeing with his proclivities. I could maybe even believe that she thought her dad was innocent when she hired him, but that doesn't seem particularly likely.

I do think that she doesn't have great judgement and probably shouldn't be in charge of deciding what people get to talk about on one of the largest discussion sites of the internet.

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Orgell 9 points ago +9 / -0

"She" also hired her father under an assumed name to try and keep the splashback from his then-current court case to a minimum.

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MattvanderIver -3 points ago +2 / -5

That doesn't mean that she knew he was guilty though, just that she knew that hiring him would look bad. There was a scandal in my hometown a few years back when a youth pastor was convicted of child abuse and his family had no idea he was doing the things he did. He was abusing the kids at camps, though, not in his attic, so the situations aren't exactly parallel. But in the end, all I really have evidence of is that Aimee isn't capable of remaining impartial and shouldn't be a moderator, let alone an admin.

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DulceReport 13 points ago +13 / -0

Sounds like a good opportunity to spruce up the css around here

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AnarcrotheAlchemist 12 points ago +12 / -0

Just to add the admins have also been editing user comments as well removing the text of the comment and replacing it with "[removed by Reddit]"

Editing comments IMO is something that should only be done to remove illegal content

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KiTA 14 points ago +14 / -0

No, editing comments should not be done even in that instance. In that instance, the comment must be REMOVED, to preserve evidence.

If I posted something illegal to Reddit, saw them edit my post, and then I got in trouble, I would immediately claim that I didn't say anything and they removed it for hate speech instead.

Hello reasonable doubt.

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AnarcrotheAlchemist 9 points ago +9 / -0

I was thinking more like links to illegal content/photos like this admins father would have liked. They can take a database level capture of the comment and forward that to police. Problem with removed comments is that people browse using things like reveddit, you don't want them able to access that content either.

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M37h3w3 8 points ago +8 / -0

Actually editing comments?

Guess they saw the community response to Spez doing it, which was jack shit, and saw that they could get away with it.

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tyren22 11 points ago +11 / -0

Interesting that "some women have penises" is regarded as a factual statement, yet "chick with a dick" is somehow a slur.

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smellyfuckingasstits -2 points ago +1 / -3

It’s all about context, especially who is saying it. That’s why the n-word is a slur but can also be used in an empowering way by people of color who are targeted by it.

edit:fascinating reddit thread illustrating exactly this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns/comments/9bveg3/tfw_dckgirl_is_considered_a_slur_but_i_actually/

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one_two_three 10 points ago +10 / -0

I cannot in good conscience continue to be on reddit. Not only that whole transgender blackout thing is completely ridiculous, but now we know why it happened, to protect some fucked up pervert who happened to be confused about his genitals. And reddit the corp fucking hired him knowingly?

Absolute shame. I respect people, I don't respect ideas, I think people suffering from sex dysphoria are real, but it's a psychological issue and shouldn't be celebrated like some kind of "identity", this is nuts. The fact that most of the people involved in trying to change laws around sex are doing that in a very cunning and secretive way, bypassing any possibility of debate like that will eventually backfire, when people realize how stupid the very idea of gender identity is.

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belil569 9 points ago +9 / -0

The Reddit sub needs to stay that way period and move people here. You all know they have been looking for any reason for many years to ban the sub.

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MisterSchlomo 8 points ago +8 / -0

Honestly, you're not wrong. Maybe make this protest a few weeks and force migrate as many people as possible. But the collateral damage of people saying "fuck it then" will be quite high.

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belil569 5 points ago +5 / -0

And that's been the same for every community that migrates. From the first bullshit with digg to voat going under. We need to build a strong community here if we expect to keep going.

Appeasing Reddit has gotten us to this point. Pedo admins are just the start. Spez himself got caught changing comments a while back. Kia cannot be a neutral place to discuss stuff if it's in Reddit. Full stop. A stand needs to be taken.

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Klaus73 5 points ago +5 / -0

Honestly - the more effort there is to remain as part of the community the likehood you'll get less trolling and more actual quality posting.

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Aurondarklord 9 points ago +9 / -0

The admins seem to be on a warpath lately. I think they're teeing up for the eventual, likely inevitable "ban all wrongthink period" move.

Over on SocialJusticeInAction we just had a similar weird admin encounter. Mind you, it's not the fact that an admin gave us a poke and said "get off your asses about sitewides" that bothers me. Speaking for myself at least, real life has been kicking my ass lately and I've fallen behind on moderating, I know other mods there have had some similar problems and...yeah probably stuff IS getting through that shouldn't.

My issue is that the admin showed up like they were trying to start a dialogue, asked us if we had questions, and then went completely radio silent on us. It definitely smacks of "going through the motions" so they can claim they tried to work with us before banning us, while deliberately refusing to clarify anything so that they can set us up to fail no matter what we do because we don't know what we have to enforce.

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Orgell 8 points ago +8 / -0

As a Judge once said, "You'll know it when you see it".

Also, insert 1984_fingers.copypasta here.

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KekistanPM 7 points ago +7 / -0

I thought they already pulled the trigger on "ban all wrongthink period" a long time ago.

Here's a fun idea: Accuse ALL Reddit admins of being pedophiles and put the burden on them to disprove it. Use the far-left's own tactics against them.

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AntonioOfVenice 6 points ago +7 / -1

Over on SocialJusticeInAction we just had a similar weird admin encounter. Mind you, it's not the fact that an admin gave us a poke and said "get off your asses about sitewides" that bothers me. Speaking for myself at least, real life has been kicking my ass lately and I've fallen behind on moderating, I know other mods there have had some similar problems and...yeah probably stuff IS getting through that shouldn't.

I'll break my rule against not commenting here to point this out.

This looks very much like a message that we received at /r/sjwhate very soon before we were banned for quite flimsy reasons. The difference was that in that case, the admin cited 7 comments that he found in violation of sitewides, and that he recommended that we make a sticky announcing the changes.

We did as the Master commanded, and still two months later they found an excuse. Which led me to the conclusion that such messages from admins are the death-knell for any sub.

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HandofBane [S] 5 points ago +6 / -1

Maybe, maybe not. The admin in that pic is actually one of the more reasonable, "neutral" ones, so I wouldn't attribute actual malice to it just yet.

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AntonioOfVenice 7 points ago +7 / -0

Then the aggressive responses may not help. This might explain why GammaKing went in quite hard against the 'current situation'.

I've never had an encounter with this admin. Our sjwhate admin was, coincidentally perhaps, the same admin who made the announcement on ModSupport.

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HandofBane [S] 5 points ago +6 / -1

Without getting into details, I've personally had very positive experience with the admin in that screenshot when resolving a sizable issue.

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smellyfuckingasstits 2 points ago +2 / -0

Oh shit is that the person who saved the sub when David-me tried to make it a hero?

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AntonioOfVenice 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nah. That was an admin-wide decision when david-me serially sabotaged himself. That is not the sort of thing that will be decided by a single admin.

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HandofBane [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

As Antonio mentioned, the david thing was resolved in finality by a group of admins. They gave him every chance to prove he wasn't trying to sudoku the entire community, and he managed to fuck that up at every turn to where the admins felt he would not even attempt to be reasonable/fair to the community or the existing mods after what he did. A handful of weeks later he ended up permanently suspended for saying some pretty pedo-ish things.

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Aurondarklord 6 points ago +6 / -0

If they're acting in good faith, why did they go radio silent when we started asking the questions they themselves solicited?

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HandofBane [S] 7 points ago +8 / -1

The issue I had where I dealt with that particular admin took more than a week to resolve. Unfortunately that's the side effect of dealing with one specific admin instead of a group at once.

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Aurondarklord 5 points ago +5 / -0

Well, you know, here's hoping, but I don't expect much. They consistently ramp up the bullshit, I can't imagine at this rate they will much longer allow dissent of any kind to exist on reddit.

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TheLostBeerKeg 5 points ago +5 / -0

Gotta appease their CCP overlords and the SJW's at the same time, and that's no easy feat

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Orgell 5 points ago +5 / -0

Everyone from /gundeals to /prequelmemes is dragging Reddit and the... individual in question hard, from the top of /all on down. We shall see if they said the quiet part out loud too soon, or there are more purges coming.
As an aside, I haven't bothered to see how /ahs and /srd are taking this...

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centrallcomp 8 points ago +8 / -0

Wait a sec, how the hell is turning KIA private a good idea if some of the admins legitimately want KIA off the site? Why would they care? If anything, you'll just embolden the hostile admins by doing this shit.

There is also something else I don't quite get: I understand that we had a dipshit admin who was giving you guys a hard time with the transgender crap, but how does being the person at the center of the UKpolitics drama make it a conflict of interest for that admin?

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HandofBane [S] 11 points ago +12 / -1

The admin is trans.

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chugga_fan 5 points ago +5 / -0

Wait, was it the same admin?

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tyren22 6 points ago +6 / -0

From OP:

and it now turns out that the admin who gave me the run around was the admin at the center of all this drama.

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HandofBane [S] 4 points ago +5 / -1

From all evidence I am seeing, yes, it was the exact same person. The username being floated around was the same one who replied to my original messages to the admins seeking clarification.

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chugga_fan 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yikes, I doubt the policy he/she (idek) put in place is not going away though.

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Calico_fox 2 points ago +2 / -0

Are they also by chance head of the Anti-Evil Counsel as well?

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centrallcomp -6 points ago +2 / -8

Huh? That's flimsy as fuck. That's like saying you have no right to say "it's OK to be white" if you happen to be white.

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Aurondarklord 11 points ago +11 / -0

A person has designated criticism of themselves a sitewide violation in a way that applies to no other group. You don't see a problem there?

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smellyfuckingasstits 1 point ago +1 / -0

I haven’t followed this incredibly closely but banning slurs against trans people seems right in line with rules banning slurs against other people.

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centrallcomp 0 points ago +1 / -1

I didn't realize the word "trans" was limited to this one idiot admin. /s

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HandofBane [S] 11 points ago +13 / -2

A trans admin making decisions in relation to trans-related policy issues is a conflict of interest. We don't allow our jewish mods to moderate any jew-related comments on KiA, it'd be a conflict of interest on their part if they did, and last I checked a large part of what caused GG to explode in the first place was undisclosed conflicts of interest.

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smellyfuckingasstits 0 points ago +2 / -2

That’s fucking idiotic logic and is exactly the same shit Trump tried to pull when he attempted to get a non-latino judge to rule on his border wall. You can’t be this dumb.

Conflicts of interest are things like when you have a financial stake in a company you’re covering as a journalist, not intrinsic qualities you’re born with.

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centrallcomp -1 points ago +2 / -3

What the fuck? Do you prohibit black mods from enforcing R1 against people trying to incite racial violence? Do you not let pinkerbelle enforce R1 against people that say shit like "kill all women" or something? Do you require R3 removals of unrelated political posts of a right-wing variety to be done only by right-wing mods?

How the hell have you guys been enforcing the rules to begin with?

I thought "conflicts of interest" were largely based on peoples' connections and external jobs interfering with their duties, not their goddamned demographics.

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tyren22 6 points ago +6 / -0

It's simple, really. If you are likely to get personally offended and thus emotionally riled up by a topic, you probably shouldn't be moderating posts about that topic, because you're going to be predisposed to judging people harshly about it regardless of their actual intent.

The admin in question demonstrated this herself by demanding harsh moderation about terms that weren't being used negatively.

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centrallcomp 3 points ago +3 / -0

Bane should've probably worded it like that from the beginning.

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AntonioOfVenice 1 point ago +2 / -1

Do you prohibit black mods from enforcing R1 against people trying to incite racial violence?

They have no black mods. Too much Wight Supremacist Patriarchy for that.

Do you not let pinkerbelle enforce R1

[slow tap]

not their goddamned demographics.

KiA2 does not have a similar policy, but I find it quite good, actually. 'Transgender' is an ideology. You don't want people who are enthralled to such an ideology to remove comments about it. The more potential bias you avoid, including bias because of demographics, the better.

Quite apart from that, you do not want a moderator (and I think this is the primary reason for KiA) to appear to be partial to his own demographic, which delegitimizes the decisions that he makes.

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centrallcomp 1 point ago +1 / -0

'Transgender' is an ideology. You don't want people who are enthralled to such an ideology to remove comments about it. The more potential bias you avoid, including bias because of demographics, the better.

Then you might as well ban every white and/or male mod from enforcing the rules on the sub--Nearly every post that touches on race and gender in KIA is sympathetic towards whites and dudes. Or is that what you want to do? Neutering the mods' ability to police their own community so people like you can freely post off-topic political shit? Got it.

You got some fucking nerve responding to my posts with your flimsy-ass bullshit arguments. I'm far more convinced your own anti-R3 crusade-like politicking is far more befitting of being considered an "ideology " than some tranny wanting to be called a different gender than the one he was born with.

Go back to KIA2 where you crawled from.

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AntonioOfVenice 1 point ago +2 / -1

Nearly every post that touches on race and gender in KIA is sympathetic towards whites and dudes.

The question was not about posts, but about insults at groups. This generally doesn't happen to white men - or Middle Easterners. Nor do white men get offended a lot. Except when they are SJWs and can take offense on behalf of others.

Yet you were quite interested in changing the subject to 'white men', or 'dudes' as you call them - which is quite distinctive.

Neutering the mods' ability to police their own community

It's not "their own community". The sub belongs to the community, and the community definitely does not belong to moderators.

You got some fucking nerve responding to my posts

Sorry, Your Highness. I didn't know that you were some sort of sacred figure.

I'm far more convinced your own anti-R3 crusade-like politicking is far more befitting of being considered an "ideology "

All your meta contributions that I have ever seen, have always been aimed at trying to establish more censorship, more curation, more removal of stuff that the community likes. So sitting on your own extreme of pro-censorship, you no doubt do regard anyone who doesn't like censorship as crazed by ideology.

Go back to KIA2 where you crawled from.

How about no?

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Megatics234 8 points ago +8 / -0

Social Media is just suffocating, all around. The people with power are clearly abusing it and there isn't a way for common folk to do anything about it other than to move platform.

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TheLostBeerKeg 5 points ago +5 / -0

I've been using Minds a fair bit recently to follow people that I like who have been yeeted from Twitter unfairly

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MisterSchlomo 8 points ago +8 / -0

Also: Can we talk about how those people shit on reddit while also "gildening" each others post shitting on reddit?

brb buying nike shoes to burn them on twitter

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noobcontrol 8 points ago +8 / -0

Usual pedo Reddit ...

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CrankyDClown 8 points ago +8 / -0

Well, this is fine little dumpsterfire. My comment on slippery slope being a rollercoaster made frictionless material in zero-g powered by a perpetual motion engine stands.

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Orgell 6 points ago +6 / -0

Ain't no Gellar Field strong enough to deflect this shitstorm.

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Orgell 8 points ago +8 / -0

As I posted in the other thread, there aren't too many subs on the list that Reddit would be sad about losing; only a couple Default subs (and /Music locks down if their toast is unevenly buttered), and quite a lot of places (KiA, TiA, PCM, FDS, Conservative) they'd as soon dump before any IPO.

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notmydirtyalt 7 points ago +7 / -0

I say it ponce I say it twice, I say it three times: contact reddit advertisers.

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Orgell 7 points ago +7 / -0

Spez just posted in /Announcements:

We would like to give you all an update on the recent issues that have transpired concerning a specific Reddit employee, as well as provide you with context into actions that we took to prevent doxxing and harassment.

As of today, the employee in question is no longer employed by Reddit. We built a relationship with her first as a mod and then through her contractor work on RPAN. We did not adequately vet her background before formally hiring her.

We’ve put significant effort into improving how we handle doxxing and harassment, and this employee was the subject of both. In this case, we over-indexed on protection, which had serious consequences in terms of enforcement actions.

On March 9th, we added extra protections for this employee, including actioning content that mentioned the employee’s name or shared personal information on third-party sites, which we reserve for serious cases of harassment and doxxing. On March 22nd, a news article about this employee was posted by a mod of r/ukpolitics. The article was removed and the submitter banned by the aforementioned rules. When contacted by the moderators of r/ukpolitics, we reviewed the actions, and reversed the ban on the moderator, and we informed the r/ukpolitics moderation team that we had restored the mod. We updated our rules to flag potential harassment for human review. Debate and criticism have always been and always will be central to conversation on Reddit—including discussion about public figures and Reddit itself—as long as they are not used as vehicles for harassment. Mentioning a public figure’s name should not get you banned.

We care deeply for Reddit and appreciate that you do too. We understand the anger and confusion about these issues and their bigger implications. The employee is no longer with Reddit, and we’ll be evolving a number of relevant internal policies.

We did not operate to our own standards here. We will do our best to do better for you.

HoB, does this timeline square with the, um, "Enhanced Protection" of Demographic Groups Which Cannot Be Mentioned Except In Glowing Praise?

No word on "better vetting", or if they're going to do any retroactive checks, or even enough spine to say their name (Aimee Challenor). How you can "dox" a political figure - who linked their real name and Reddit handle via an AMA - is left as an exercise for the student, as is how "incomplete vetting" means they (purportedly) didn't even Google them, as their own Wikipedia page contained a bunch of Red Flags, and has for many months (going by edit records).

No, Spez. You're not sorry. You're sorry you got caught.
Again.

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CrankyDClown 6 points ago +6 / -0

You're sorry you got caught.
Again.

Ain't that always the case?

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tyren22 5 points ago +5 / -0

So, to recap: They did not vet her background (let's call this either laughably incompetent or a lie) but they put unprecedented levels of protections in place, and they failed to address whether the removal of the news article was automated or not, probably because the answer would make them look very bad. You have to actually read the article in question to find out she's even mentioned - it's not an article about her.

Even taking them at their word, that means they just put her name on Reddit's spam filter because she said so, without even questioning whether there was a reason her name was already out there. If you wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, you could argue that she was taking advantage of their trust to squash people talking about her scandal without their knowledge, but that's still an extreme degree of incompetence that has to exist in the first place for her to take advantage of.

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Orgell 3 points ago +3 / -0

IIRC, someone transcribed the article into a comment; that's where it probably hit a filter. There was also a delay between posting and banning, so either the 'automated' system sweeps on a schedule, or it pings for review and the actions were taken then.
Most charitable option is they didn't dig deep (or at all, TBH), out of a fear of "deadnaming" or seeming "transphobic". Realistic option, given Reddit's track record, is that they didn't think the plebs smart enough to dig in, or figured the Window had shifted enough to make "Aimee" safe from inquiry.

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HandofBane [S] 3 points ago +4 / -1

HoB, does this timeline square with the, um, "Enhanced Protection" of Demographic Groups Which Cannot Be Mentioned Except In Glowing Praise?

Last Anti-Evil action on the sub that shows in our logs was near the end of February. The AEO actions spiked upward dramatically, compared to the previous several years, over the past maybe 5-6 months. Before that we would average one admin removal every 4-6 weeks. Glancing at the logs, we had 7 official removals, and maybe 3-5 more (can't recall offhand) which were silent admin removals that we only know about because someone else noticed and asked us about it.

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Lexion 6 points ago +6 / -0

I got banned from r/games for that stating a while back that a tranny leaked some personally stuff. I could of phrased it better, but that was the news. With this happening and they respond. Can they unban me? I just want to be smug about it.

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Wumbolo 6 points ago +6 / -0

If you can, please ask the admin(s) whether the full name is allowed to be edited into this post

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HandofBane [S] 7 points ago +7 / -0

I doubt the admins will give a real answer. This is the most complete reply from them I've seen so far:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/mbqgx2/a_clarification_on_actioning_and_employee_names/gs0bude/

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Klaus73 5 points ago +5 / -0

Guess reddit can continue to get fucked eh?

sucks that its come to this but the masses are getting thirsty for the blood of the impure.

And yeah chick with a Dick is a pretty accurate description of Polly.

Remember its not about principle - its about winning.

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Undocumented_User 4 points ago +4 / -0

Huh, I thought the place got nuked or something. Glad I knew there's an alternate site here.

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TokenSockPuppet 4 points ago +4 / -0

Ok, I thought I was kicked out or something which made me mad since I've been there from almost the beginning.

SlimeBeast posted a vid about this, holy crap. Reddit admins have sunk to a new low.

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Calico_fox 3 points ago +3 / -0

Would you mind posting a like?

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Decrixxx 4 points ago +4 / -0

good.

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Far_Side_of_Forever 4 points ago +4 / -0

I see there's plenty of toadies eagerly lapping up spez' Swiss cheese of an explanation

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anonttt 3 points ago +3 / -0

So what new draconian bullshit is going to accompany the firing of this admin? No damn way the other reddit heads don't inch closer to scorched earth on the subs they hate.

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madhousechild 2 points ago +2 / -0

Every damn time...

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madhousechild 2 points ago +2 / -0

Shouldn't all members be allowed into r/KIA when it's private? I am signed into Reddit but I am locked out of KIA, been a member since the beginning.

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Shadist 3 points ago +3 / -0

Letting everyone in rather removes the point of subs going black in protest.

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smellyfuckingasstits -4 points ago +1 / -5

Anyone else find it ironic that there are a lot of anti-trans slurs and deadnaming in this thread and other recent ones (one even has a slur in the thread title) after complaining about overzealous moderation on reddit about trans people?

Kinda funny, at least

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CnnWillBlackmailYou -10 points ago +2 / -12

If you continue keeping ANY channels operating on Reddit, then you condone pedophilia yourself by proxy.

You now know in full living color what that platform's position on raping children is. Even if they boot the admin because they got caught this time, that doesn't change their position one bit.

If you reopen KiA on Reddit at ANY POINT, then you are actively supporting a pro pedophile stance.

You're already cowing to them by implementing YOUR "no tranny talk" rule. How much more are you willing to suckle?

Get off of Reddit. Period.

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AntonioOfVenice 6 points ago +8 / -2

Sit down. We don't need moderators coercing their users. And we sure as hell don't need to flush down 125k subscribers down the drain.

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smellyfuckingasstits -1 points ago +2 / -3

we

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CnnWillBlackmailYou -10 points ago +2 / -12

YOU sit the fuck down, you pedophile supporter.

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HandofBane [M] [S] 6 points ago +8 / -2

And you're done. Rule 1, GTFO. This ban is permanent, you will not be missed.

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HandofBane [S] 4 points ago +7 / -3

How about you actually read what we are going private for instead of trying to virtue signal and bully people into doing what you want? This is about admin overreach, insane vague and inconsistent rule enforcement, and what appears to be a new policy that runs absolutely counter to how sitewide enforcement around "personal info" has run for years.

Want to circlejerk over pedo shit? Do it somewhere else. That's all just a fucking sideshow to the actual issues here, and you are doing yourself and everyone else around you a disservice by hyperfocusing on the subject that makes people shut their brains off instead of the actual relevant issue here.

We aren't here to play another angle on cancel culture, though that's what other subs may be doing alongside all this. All that shit does is make you no fucking better than the SJW crowd we are up against already.

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CnnWillBlackmailYou -11 points ago +2 / -13

Ohhhh, gotcha. So you're butthurt that they were mean to you. You don't actually CARE that the platform as a whole is run BY pedophiles, FOR pedophiles.

So that makes you a pedophile apologist.