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posted ago by Aurondarklord [M] (edited) stickied +234 / -14

So we're getting quite a few new and lapsed users, and more than one person has asked us just exactly what KIA is.

So here's our mission statement, a basic description of what this place is for, and our half-finished rules still full of less-broken-than-I-thought-it-would-be reddit CSS and placeholder text. As you can clearly tell, THIS IS NOT DONE, we haven't even gotten started on figuring out how much of rule 3 we're gonna change...again...now that the admins are off our backs. For the moment we're allowing some shitposting and general partying, but at least now we'll have something to point to when someone goes too far past the line and needs a smack. Please bear with us as things are still very much under construction. Also, we need to do something about the character limit that's forcing me to put half of this into a sticky, so...SEE STICKY!


Our Mission

KotakuInAction is a platform for open discussion of the issues where gaming, nerd culture, the Internet, and media collide.

We believe that the current standards of ethics in the media have alienated the artists, developers, and creators who perpetuate the things we love, enjoy, and enthusiastically build communities around. We have observed numerous incidents involving conflicts of interest and agenda-pushing within media which we feel are damaging to the credibility of the medium and harm the community at large. We believe much of the current media is complicit in the proliferation of an ideology that squashes individuality, divides along political lines, and is stifling to the freedom of creativity that is the foundation of human expression.

KotakuInAction is a community that condemns willful censorship, exclusion, harassment, and abuse. It is a community that organizes to hold the media accountable to the concept of artistic freedom by standing up for the artist, the developer, the writer, the filmmaker, and all who enjoy the freedom to create, explore, and expand. It is a community that allows the exchange of information, supports the ongoing discussion of media ethics, and protects the right of the individual to embrace their personal interests in entertainment and fandom.

KotakuInAction is built around a core focus on reasonable, friendly discussion of the issues related to gaming culture, and those involved in it. That is not all we are about, but it's where we began and will remain our core. We hold ourselves to be politically neutral ground, not forcing anyone to conform in their opinions, and permitting a wide variety of viewpoints to express themselves in a civil manner.


Code Of Conduct for KotakuInAction

WARNING/BAN POLICY

For the sake of making it easier to read, more transparent, and to cut back on confusion regarding which rules get dealt with in which way, we are pulling the warning/ban policy out of Rule 1 and moving it to stand independently so that other rules with specific policies are all in one place. The updated policy is as follows:

General Rule 1 Enforcement

You'll get two public warnings from the mods. Any offenses after that, and you'll get a 3 day temporary ban. Screw up again, and you're gone for a month. Screw up again, and you're not coming back.

Warnings will expire after 90 days. So if you got a warning and didn't screw up for, say, three months, and get warned again, that counts as your first warning on the road to being banned. However, if you received a temp ban for breaking Rule 1, it'll stay on your record, and won't expire for a year, so if you screw up after that before a year has gone by, you go to a 7-day/month-long ban and the year-long timer resets. Basically, don't screw around.

Rule 7 Enforcement

If a user is determined by at least two moderators to have violated Rule 7, they will be issued one warning not to do so again. If they repeat the behavior, as agreed upon by at least three moderators, they will be issued a 7 day ban. Doing so again (and agreed upon again by at least three moderators) will result in a permanent ban.

Other Rule Enforcement

All other rules will generally be enforced with a single warning followed by at least one temporary ban before any permanent ban is issued. The notable exceptions are Rule 2 (dox) and Rule 5 (personal army requests), which we reserve the right to immediately and without warning issue a permanent ban. In more severe or extreme cases of violations of other rules, should at least three moderators agree a user needs to bypass the standard warning/ban process and be moved straight to a permanent ban, such action may be taken, though this route should not be taken often.

Moderator Rule-Breaking Policy

Compared to regular Rule 1 enforcement, this is going to be bit more strict - first violation results in warning (publicly visible as all other warnings), second warning within a month will result in temporary suspension or permanent removal of permissions.

Reporting of mod violations should be done via modmail - please provide link to violation, rule violated and context, if necessary. If you don't want to report via modmail, you can also report to the head moderator directly. If you don't want that either, you may elect someone to report on your behalf. Nevertheless, links and context are required. Needless to say the mod in question won't be involved in evaluation of said violation.

GENERAL RULES

  1. DON'T BE A DICKWOLF

Attack arguments, not people.

"Fuck off, retard," is not an argument. Neither is "Kill yourself, faggot." Regardless of whether you think someone is a shill, SJW, or whatever, stick to arguing the points. Name-calling does not contribute to discussion. Refer to the pyramid as a general guideline. If anything, just make sure your criticism outweighs any insults. However, well-reasoned arguments that end with parting shots like, "Stop being obtuse; even children understand this concept," are okay. Ostensibly, we're all adults here; a comment like that can just be ignored.

The core of this rule is primarily based on patterns of behavior, which fall into these categories:

1. Harassment

Badgering and/or baiting another user across multiple threads or baiting after disengaging (mod enforced or otherwise), including persistent mentions and/or replies. Note that this generally does not apply to people that are outside the community, (e.g. "God, the guy who wrote that article is such a fucking retard."), but does apply in cases of tagging a user (e.g. "reallybadpersonidontlike you're a fucking mongoloid and you should go die in a fire.").

2. Trolling

Posts and comments which are clearly not intended to generate discussion, but rather aimed at generating or maximizing as much drama and emotion as possible. Intentionally posting to make people angry.

3. Crusading

Posts and comments intended to drive a wedge in the community, or to rally a mob to target users or communities, without the intent to hold a constructive discussion. Crusading eschews conversation, going beyond well-meaning criticism into behavior that includes excessive attacks against specific users, demands that action be taken against specific users, and/or bombarding a post with hostility towards KiA or specific users.

4. Malice

Don't resort to malicious name-calling, brazen insults, and/or general hostility against any individual user. Don't use identity politics or unironic slurs (that is, language intended to advocate blatant hatred) against groups of people. Don't make serious calls for violence against individuals or groups. If you're joking, please make clear you are joking so we don't have to slap you for it.


2. No Doxxing

We do not allow the publication of personal information, which is defined as:

1. Real names

Exceptions are made for "public figures," including (but not limited to) journalists, actors, published authors, and public-facing company personalities, as well as the subjects of published journalistic articles (limited purpose public figures). Facebook and LinkedIn pages may only be linked for corporations and public figures.

2. Phone numbers or addresses

Public contact numbers/address for companies (not including individual employees) are exempt.

3. Promotion of known doxxing sites

Certain websites exist for the primary purpose of collecting and spreading dox. You may not link to them, encourage others to visit them, or discuss them by name. The list of such sites can be found here. (link)

4. Other info which may be used to personally identify someone

Including personal e-mail addresses that are not intentionally available to the public, images of homes, etc.

If you are in doubt whether what you posted may constitute posting personal information, reach out to the moderator team. (link)


3. POSTING GUIDELINES

Posts on KotakuInAction must focus on one of the topics included in the whitelist and may not include a topic from the blacklist.
Post that do not meet this criterium will be removed. Removals due to Rule 3 alone have no consequences aside from the post being removed.

Meta Posts are excluded from this rule.

Whitelist

  • Gaming
  • Journalism Ethics
  • Censorship
  • Official Social Justice
  • Media Meta
  • Tabletop gaming, comics, sci-fi/fantasy, manga/anime, and derivative media of such
  • Sub related OC Artwork
  • Tech Happenings

Temporary Whitelist Items

  • None

Blacklist

  • Unrelated Politics
  • Memes (as in image macros)
  • E-Celeb Bullshit
  • Forum Noise (random users complaining on random forums [directly involved devs are exempt from this])
  • Social Media Hot Takes
  • Lets Plays

Temporary Blacklist Items

None

Notes

  • To pass unrelated pol, topics containing politicians; laws; government or major political organizations without direct relation to GamerGate, must be presented without partisan slant and the majority of the topic must focus on relevant actions or proposals, rather than their partisan or electoral implications.

  • Official social justice is defined as: The propagation or implementation of identity politics by institutions or companies of major size.

  • Tech Happenings is defined as: Significant events concerning the policies, business practices, algorithms, behavior, and corporate cultures of tech companies and social networks, especially where pertaining to free expression, identity politics, and anti-consumer activities, as well as legislation affecting tech spaces.

  • If you believe your post is of sufficient importance to the community but are concerned that it would not pass the above guidelines, please contact the modteam for approval


4. Posts must be intelligible

  • Non-English links must include a translation in the immediate comments from the OP. This can be either a full length translation, a copypaste of a machine translation, or a direct link to a full machine translation of the page.

  • All links to videos longer than 5 minutes will require either a comment by the OP or to be in a self post summarizing the relevant parts of the video to what they are trying to point out with it. Exceptions may be allowed if the title is clearly explaining what's going on with the link pointing directly at the relevant timestamp in the video.

  • Avoid mobile links if possible.

So we're getting quite a few new and lapsed users, and more than one person has asked us just exactly what KIA is. So here's our mission statement, a basic description of what this place is for, and our half-finished rules still full of less-broken-than-I-thought-it-would-be reddit CSS and placeholder text. As you can clearly tell, THIS IS NOT DONE, we haven't even gotten started on figuring out how much of rule 3 we're gonna change...again...now that the admins are off our backs. For the moment we're allowing some shitposting and general partying, but at least now we'll have something to point to when someone goes too far past the line and needs a smack. Please bear with us as things are still very much under construction. Also, we need to do something about the character limit that's forcing me to put half of this into a sticky, so...SEE STICKY! --- Our Mission KotakuInAction is a platform for open discussion of the issues where gaming, nerd culture, the Internet, and media collide. We believe that the current standards of ethics in the media have alienated the artists, developers, and creators who perpetuate the things we love, enjoy, and enthusiastically build communities around. We have observed numerous incidents involving conflicts of interest and agenda-pushing within media which we feel are damaging to the credibility of the medium and harm the community at large. We believe much of the current media is complicit in the proliferation of an ideology that squashes individuality, divides along political lines, and is stifling to the freedom of creativity that is the foundation of human expression. KotakuInAction is a community that condemns willful censorship, exclusion, harassment, and abuse. It is a community that organizes to hold the media accountable to the concept of artistic freedom by standing up for the artist, the developer, the writer, the filmmaker, and all who enjoy the freedom to create, explore, and expand. It is a community that allows the exchange of information, supports the ongoing discussion of media ethics, and protects the right of the individual to embrace their personal interests in entertainment and fandom. KotakuInAction is built around a core focus on reasonable, friendly discussion of the issues related to gaming culture, and those involved in it. That is not all we are about, but it's where we began and will remain our core. We hold ourselves to be politically neutral ground, not forcing anyone to conform in their opinions, and permitting a wide variety of viewpoints to express themselves in a civil manner. --- #**C**ode **O**f **C**onduct for **K**otakuInAction ##**WARNING/BAN POLICY** For the sake of making it easier to read, more transparent, and to cut back on confusion regarding which rules get dealt with in which way, we are pulling the warning/ban policy out of Rule 1 and moving it to stand independently so that other rules with specific policies are all in one place. The updated policy is as follows: **General Rule 1 Enforcement** You'll get two public warnings from the mods. Any offenses after that, and you'll get a 3 day temporary ban. Screw up again, and you're gone for a month. Screw up again, and you're not coming back. Warnings will expire after 90 days. So if you got a warning and didn't screw up for, say, three months, and get warned again, that counts as your first warning on the road to being banned. However, if you received a temp ban for breaking Rule 1, it'll stay on your record, and won't expire for a year, so if you screw up after that before a year has gone by, you go to a 7-day/month-long ban and the year-long timer resets. Basically, don't screw around. **Rule 7 Enforcement** If a user is determined by at least two moderators to have violated Rule 7, they will be issued one warning not to do so again. If they repeat the behavior, as agreed upon by at least three moderators, they will be issued a 7 day ban. Doing so again (and agreed upon again by at least three moderators) will result in a permanent ban. **Other Rule Enforcement** All other rules will generally be enforced with a single warning followed by at least one temporary ban before any permanent ban is issued. The notable exceptions are Rule 2 (dox) and Rule 5 (personal army requests), which we reserve the right to immediately and without warning issue a permanent ban. In more severe or extreme cases of violations of other rules, should at least three moderators agree a user needs to bypass the standard warning/ban process and be moved straight to a permanent ban, such action may be taken, though this route should not be taken often. **Moderator Rule-Breaking Policy** Compared to regular Rule 1 enforcement, this is going to be bit more strict - first violation results in warning (publicly visible as all other warnings), second warning within a month will result in temporary suspension or permanent removal of permissions. Reporting of mod violations should be done via modmail - please provide link to violation, rule violated and context, if necessary. If you don't want to report via modmail, you can also report to the head moderator directly. If you don't want that either, you may elect someone to report on your behalf. Nevertheless, links and context are required. Needless to say the mod in question won't be involved in evaluation of said violation. **GENERAL RULES** 1. DON'T BE A DICKWOLF **Attack arguments, not people.** "Fuck off, retard," is not an argument. Neither is "Kill yourself, faggot." Regardless of whether you think someone is a shill, SJW, or whatever, stick to arguing the points. Name-calling does not contribute to discussion. Refer to the [pyramid](https://i.imgur.com/PkSEgqy.png) as a general guideline. If anything, just make sure your criticism outweighs any insults. However, well-reasoned arguments that end with parting shots like, "Stop being obtuse; even children understand this concept," are okay. Ostensibly, we're all adults here; a comment like that can just be ignored. The core of this rule is primarily based on *patterns* of behavior, which fall into these categories: ###1. Harassment Badgering and/or baiting another user across multiple threads or baiting after disengaging (mod enforced or otherwise), including persistent mentions and/or replies. Note that this generally does not apply to people that are outside the community, (e.g. "God, the guy who wrote that article is such a fucking retard."), but *does* apply in cases of tagging a user (e.g. "reallybadpersonidontlike you're a fucking mongoloid and you should go die in a fire."). ###2. Trolling Posts and comments which are clearly not intended to generate discussion, but rather aimed at generating or maximizing as much drama and emotion as possible. Intentionally posting to make people angry. ###3. Crusading Posts and comments intended to drive a wedge in the community, or to rally a mob to target users or communities, without the intent to hold a constructive discussion. Crusading eschews conversation, going beyond well-meaning criticism into behavior that includes excessive attacks against specific users, demands that action be taken against specific users, and/or bombarding a post with hostility towards KiA or specific users. ###4. Malice Don't resort to malicious name-calling, brazen insults, and/or general hostility against any individual user. Don't use identity politics or unironic slurs (that is, language intended to advocate blatant hatred) against groups of people. Don't make serious calls for violence against individuals or groups. If you're joking, please make clear you are joking so we don't have to slap you for it. --- ##2. No Doxxing We do not allow the publication of personal information, which is defined as: ###1. Real names Exceptions are made for "public figures," including (but not limited to) journalists, actors, published authors, and public-facing company personalities, as well as the subjects of published journalistic articles (limited purpose public figures). Facebook and LinkedIn pages may only be linked for corporations and public figures. ###2. Phone numbers or addresses Public contact numbers/address for companies (not including individual employees) are exempt. ###3. Promotion of known doxxing sites Certain websites exist for the primary purpose of collecting and spreading dox. You may not link to them, encourage others to visit them, or discuss them by name. The list of such sites can be found here. (link) ###4. Other info which may be used to personally identify someone Including personal e-mail addresses that are not intentionally available to the public, images of homes, etc. If you are in doubt whether what you posted may constitute posting personal information, reach out to the moderator team. (link) --- ## 3. POSTING GUIDELINES Posts on KotakuInAction must focus on one of the topics included in the whitelist and may not include a topic from the blacklist. Post that do not meet this criterium will be removed. Removals due to Rule 3 alone have no consequences aside from the post being removed. Meta Posts are excluded from this rule. ### Whitelist * Gaming * Journalism Ethics * Censorship * Official Social Justice * Media Meta * Tabletop gaming, comics, sci-fi/fantasy, manga/anime, and derivative media of such * Sub related OC Artwork * Tech Happenings #### __Temporary Whitelist Items__ * None ### Blacklist * Unrelated Politics * Memes (as in image macros) * E-Celeb Bullshit * Forum Noise (random users complaining on random forums [directly involved devs are exempt from this]) * Social Media Hot Takes * Lets Plays #### __Temporary Blacklist Items__ None ### Notes * To pass unrelated pol, topics containing politicians; laws; government or major political organizations without direct relation to GamerGate, must be presented without partisan slant and the majority of the topic must focus on relevant actions or proposals, rather than their partisan or electoral implications. * Official social justice is defined as: The propagation or implementation of identity politics by institutions or companies of major size. * Tech Happenings is defined as: Significant events concerning the policies, business practices, algorithms, behavior, and corporate cultures of tech companies and social networks, especially where pertaining to free expression, identity politics, and anti-consumer activities, as well as legislation affecting tech spaces. * If you believe your post is of sufficient importance to the community but are concerned that it would not pass the above guidelines, please [contact the modteam](link) for approval --- ## 4. Posts must be intelligible * Non-English links must include a translation in the immediate comments from the OP. This can be either a full length translation, a copypaste of a machine translation, or a direct link to a full machine translation of the page. * All links to videos longer than 5 minutes will require either a comment by the OP or to be in a self post summarizing the relevant parts of the video to what they are trying to point out with it. Exceptions may be allowed if the title is clearly explaining what's going on with the link pointing directly at the relevant timestamp in the video. * Avoid mobile links if possible.
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Aurondarklord [S] [M] 2 points ago +11 / -9 stickied

5. WE ARE NOT YOUR PERSONAL ARMY

Don't post a call to action against someone or some group of people you disagree with.

Don't make posts like "let's give that idiot a piece of our mind!" if you come across something stupid someone said on the Internet. If you want to point and laugh, then post an archive, but engineering dogpiles against individuals or other groups will not be tolerated. The rule of thumb here is to look but don't touch. If you choose to take action offsite in direct response to something posted here, you will be dealt with as having violated this rule.

Additionally, random, stupid things said by nobodies on Twitter, Facebook, etc. should not be posted. A "nobody" is defined as any account with fewer than 2,500 followers, or anyone who does not otherwise meet the "public figure" or "limited-purpose public figure" requirements.


6. ARCHIVE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN

Use link archivers for as many things as possible.

This is to preserve articles in their original format in case they are edited in the future, as well as to ensure that the articles comments sections are not brigaded. Record-keeping is important, and archiving pages are our way to preserve those records. Additionally, there is an active blacklist of sites that will automatically be pulled if not archived. You can find this list here.


7. DON'T POST MISLEADING CONTENT

We want to make sure we're not reading garbage, or being lied to about some of the claims being made here.

To ensure this, posts should be free from the following:

1. Editorialized Titles

These are post titles for news articles that are framed in such a way as to push discussion in a single direction, typically stirring outrage, rather than leaving it up to the commentators in the thread. Hyperbole is a form of misinformation; you don't have to add anything "spicy" to the article's headline—it's better to simply post the headline itself. Additionally, quotation marks should be reserved for the exact wording someone used. If you need to add inline context, put the words that weren't said [in square brackets].

2. Misinformation

Defined as the intentional spread of provably incorrect information, or spinning a narrative without presenting all the facts. Typically, there is a degree of agenda-pushing or soapboxing related to this. Note that well-intended posts with information that has yet to be proven will simply be given an [Unverified] flair. However, any claims that are proven false after a post is made will result in it being given [Fake News] flair, and a stickied comment correcting the information, regardless of vote totals. This is to prevent the spread of misinformation on KiA.

3. Spam and Self-Promotion

Users posting anything that can be considered spam or self-promotion must demonstrate a 4:1 ratio of participation/commenting in unrelated posts to self-promotion. For example, for every 1 post or comment promoting their own material (websites, videos, social media, etc.), they must have at least 4 comments or posts that are participating in KiA (or other communities) that are wholly unrelated to discussion of their material.


8. DO NOT REPOST

We will remove reposts of the same information.

This includes posting articles on the same topic from different publications when one is already on the front page, unless there is substantial new information. If a post is older than 7 days, its content can be reposted for visibility, if the situation warrants it.

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FluffiPuff 2 points ago +3 / -1

Fanx mods. I'm just here for the lulz and discussion

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cryogen 23 points ago +31 / -8

Oh god, the laundry list of rules by the pussy mods of half-kia

Get fucked. This place is already shit.

Let's get KIA2.win going please

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America1stAndOnly 6 points ago +6 / -0

No kidding. Think I'm gonna bail from this place. It's already smelling like shit.

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SirYouAreIncorrect 19 points ago +21 / -2

So I guess we now know that the rules were not really about Preventing Reddit Admins from banning the community since these rules are the same

Funny what happens when you know longer the "the admins" to hide behind, I wonder what the new excuse will be

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Aurondarklord [S] -6 points ago +2 / -8

Yeah, because you can reasonably expect us to have fully hammered out a huge set of revisions to our rules already, when we were forced to bring the site online so quickly we don't even have the CSS working yet.

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H_Guderian 8 points ago +9 / -1

Would it be the end of the world to let...The Users decide? Y'know, the people the sub needs to survive. Pretty sure having no rules isn't going to end the world.

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brimshae 4 points ago +4 / -0

Well, it's been a month now. How's it looking?

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YourMistaken 1 point ago +1 / -0

Now it's been two

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Txiribiton 15 points ago +15 / -0

What's the point of the temporary rules that were supposedly implemented to not anger reddit admins?

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Cough 2 points ago +2 / -0

2 months later they are still around and this .win is ghost town

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DeltaTango 1 point ago +1 / -0

As long as they're not banned on Reddit, it probably will stay that way. Getting banned was the best thing to happen to T_D. It went from being a ghost town too, to being a place where people could finally speak freely, and not have to couch their words for fear of some shadowy admin suspending their account for wrongthink.

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Aurondarklord [S] -2 points ago +4 / -6

Well we're always going to have rules of some kind. The specifics will change, but we need something in the meantime.

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nomac 9 points ago +11 / -2
  1. Posts must be intelligible

Darn it!

I just wanted to say I love ya and I’m glad that you’re going okay with your hair and you don’t have any money for that

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MakeAmericaLegendary 19 points ago +20 / -1

Rule 4 is so Biden doesn't try to make an account here.

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Aurondarklord [S] 8 points ago +11 / -3

Well, that rule only applies to threads, if you would like to leave an unintelligible comment, we will merely scratch our heads.

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nomac 7 points ago +8 / -1

Excellent. My quest to bewilder continues!

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EjjiZaBuraddoejji 8 points ago +8 / -0

So, can we link to Bitchute now?

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XCorneliusX 2 points ago +3 / -1

I am not a mod in here, but wins are able to take bitchute links.

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Aurondarklord [S] 0 points ago +3 / -3

Absolutely, as long as the video doesn't have dox or some shit in it.

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YourMistaken 1 point ago +1 / -0

doesn't have dox or some shit in it

Why not?

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H_Guderian 5 points ago +5 / -0

Imagine coming to KiA and then spending all this time shifting through the rules.

If the content isn't good enough the individuals involved have the faculties to up or downvote it. What all these rules say is "I don't trust The People, because something they do not produce the outcome I want."

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HeIsVigo 5 points ago +6 / -1

I remember KiA and KiA2 but even back then was always wondering if making a post about a game or genre of games to get recommendations or impressions was allowed. Hearing if the developers/company were being d-bags is useful but I also wanted to know what other people thought about gameplay etc. I probably missed the posts if so.

I thought there was a weekly what are you playing and was never sure if that was the only place to talk about games. Cause I'm looking longingly at Samurai Showdown. Anyway glad y'all are here.

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HandofBane 0 points ago +5 / -5

We had some weekly posts cycling around with that kind of thing for recommendations/"what are you playing" kind of discussion. We will be bringing that back here, it may take us a week or so before we can get it back in effect due to all the technical issues we are still sorting out first.

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Deal_5_Damage 4 points ago +5 / -1

Man, I wish I knew about this community years ago. This is where I could vent about how the industry is ruining the hobbies I love.

They ruined Magic the Gathering for me and I will be damned if they ruin Warhammer 40k.

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Zednix 3 points ago +3 / -0

KIA2.win is also good.

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AnastasiusFocht 2 points ago +2 / -0

Papanurgle will deal with the infiltrators

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America1stAndOnly 1 point ago +1 / -0

Years ago it was great. Now... now it's run by mods who just get off on having shit tons of rules so that they can censor whatever they want.

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B-VOLLEYBALL-READY 4 points ago +4 / -0
  1. Promotion of known doxxing sites Certain websites exist for the primary purpose of collecting and spreading dox. You may not link to them, encourage others to visit them, or discuss them by name. The list of such sites can be found here. (link)

There's no link provided.

I think I know what a couple of them will be, but still...

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Aurondarklord [S] -1 points ago +1 / -2

Yeah, this is half finished and some of this phrasing may not even make the final cut. Bear with us.

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AsahiNoHikari 3 points ago +3 / -0

Where would something like https://archive.md/srook land regarding the posting guidelines? It's probably not suited for its own thread considering there's not much to discuss about the specific case. But I do think there may be value in having some place to gather instances like these. Major public figure who also writes for a large newspaper going off the deep end seems relevant to SocJus, if for no other reason than having something available to show to people on the fence or who think it's not that bad. If it's someone they personally look up to, that might have an effect.

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Aurondarklord [S] 2 points ago +4 / -2

If he PUBLISHED something like that in a journalistic article, it would be relevant, as it would obviously be super unethical.

As things stand, "man is horrible on twitter" is just...a man being horrible on twitter. It doesn't really hit any of our whitelist topics.

I personally see great value in the idea of signal boosting the insane, horrible things prominent adherents of SocJus say to show the deranged nature of the ideology itself to the public. But that's not the topic of this community. We are looking at importing SocialJusticeInAction to .win as well, and making a more concerted effort this time to have the two run as sister communities so that there IS a place in our ecosystem for content like this.

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AsahiNoHikari 2 points ago +3 / -1

That makes sense. Yeah, things like this would otherwise be liable to drown out the other content. I'm glad to hear you're working on that.

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Aurondarklord [S] 0 points ago +3 / -3

Yeah, that's definitely part of it. When GG started, we were much more open about this kind of stuff because we COULD be.

Nowadays 500 people a day say mind-bogglingly insane shit in the name of socjus and if we put it all on KIA we wouldn't be able to sort through it to find anything else.

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HandofBane [M] -2 points ago +1 / -3

Yes, and I have to remove your comment because of it.

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FrigusAvis 2 points ago +2 / -0

More than 2 stickies at a time? Nice.

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pseudosapient 6 points ago +6 / -0

I'd have to disagree.

Sickies are a great way to push groupthink and silence dissent.

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GalanDun 1 point ago +1 / -0

Now we need to start pruning this list so we can be better than we were on Reddit.

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Far_Side_of_Forever -2 points ago +2 / -4

I do declare that GG and KiA sounds like some certified autistic faggotry

Let's carry on

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HandofBane [M] -11 points ago +7 / -18

Just to expand on this, while we are enforcing Rule 1 actively, we have been giving a bit of leeway on things like our Rule 3 (posting content guidelines) due to getting settled in. We will not be enforcing that retroactively, but will slowly begin doing so from here forward.

As mentioned, we are doing a review of Rule 3 and making some further changes to it to lighten it up more, but that may take us a couple weeks to sort out, so please bear with us until we get it done.

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Gaffer 23 points ago +30 / -7

is this reddit? We didn't come here for rules

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coke501 26 points ago +29 / -3

It was to be expected. It's the same Mod-Team after all.

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Shadist -17 points ago +3 / -20

Get on AoV to make your 2-topia.

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coke501 10 points ago +12 / -2

Eh, both KIAs survived on reddit, both will here. I see worth in both.

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Shadist -15 points ago +2 / -17

Ah forgive me, your comment came across more negatively to me than you may have intended.

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Aurondarklord [S] -5 points ago +10 / -15

There are always going to be rules of some kind. This is KIA.win, not Everything.win

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Aurondarklord [S] -4 points ago +8 / -12

I certainly agree that part of the transition will be us, as mods, deprogramming ourselves from all the bullshit reddit has forced us to internalize.

But basic civility is non-negotiable for us. This is KIA. It is going to retain the culture of KIA, the culture KIA has always had since long before the admins started fucking with us. It's not a chan and it's not going to be. Chans have their place. But not this place.

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Aurondarklord [S] 3 points ago +10 / -7

And that's what we want to keep it. Which is why we don't want every post to be "fuck you faggot!" and "die in a fire!", if not "would you like to hear about the Jewish conspiracy to destroy the white race?"

And those people absolutely WILL come in here and try to take over the community if we let them. I think literally the first user comment we got, or at least one of the first few, was somebody saying "I can take off the mask now! Hitler did nothing wrong!", and yeah, he didn't REALLY MEAN IT, but he was a blatant troll. Now that KIA2 has a win too, he's nearly half the comments there so far by himself, and they're mostly comprised of spamming slurs and advocating a race war.

If we let that be our community, very few people who NOT like that are gonna wanna come here. That kinda shit killed Voat. We won't let it kill us.

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... continue reading thread?
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D4rkd3str0yer 3 points ago +4 / -1

You guys will get there as we did! My favorite part about being off Reddit is I can bring some of my spicier content back (on T_D at least) and make/post memes that really get under the skin. My other favorite thing is we can have spicy ban messages again. Not sure if you guys ever did on KiA, but the admins got their panties in a bunch over some of our spicier ban messages a few times. It always feels good to tell some ShareBlue shill that Islam is Right About Women or attach a picture of a dump truck full of dicks or even just calling someone a faggot as you ban them again. With sites like .win, we will soon bring the internet into a second golden age!

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MakeAmericaLegendary 1 point ago +3 / -2

As somebody who only lurked on KIA on Reddit, I can at least appreciate you guys being self-aware about this stuff. Reddit-mindset is a disease.

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pseudosapient 4 points ago +4 / -0

Sure, but that is a false dichotomy. It's not "all rules" or "no rules", and nothing in between.

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Killroyomega 3 points ago +6 / -3

Even under your new rules stuff like the media attacks against Pewdiepie would be banned content. You even hard ban BLM discussion, which as we watch every company in existence commit millions of dollars to "diversity" efforts couldn't be more relevant.

You guys are out of your damn minds with how ban happy you are.

Just let people talk about what they want to talk about with a focus on games and media.

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HandofBane -7 points ago +2 / -9

Did you miss the statement where we I said at the top of this very chain that we were going to be revising and thinning down Rule 3, which is the part you are complaining about right now?

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Killroyomega 4 points ago +7 / -3

Oh I read it, I just don't believe you.

Why should I or anyone else when you've lied about it multiple times?

It doesn't take weeks to sort out, btw. You could do it in an hour if you so choose.

You just don't want to.

Here's how this is gonna go: you're gonna kick the can down the road for a week while slowly tightening up enforcement, then make a post about how you're working on it and are listening to feedback, then a week later you're going to make some half-assed change no one wanted or asked for but pushes everything further into being a regressive leftist's dream.

Oh, here's a little tip for you bud.

When you have a reputation for being a fuckup and a liar, put your money where your mouth is and act BEFORE you talk mad shit.

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HandofBane -7 points ago +2 / -9

Despite what some people want to pretend, we completely stripped out the old point system half a year ago, and replaced it with something simpler - whitelist/blacklist (sorry, list of color). That opened up a whole lot of additional content which had been getting blocked that should not have been under the older ruleset.

Do you know how long it took to iron that out with mods who wanted to see it changed, while still maintaining the blocks that needed to stay in place, alongside stress-testing to make sure things that should fail still failed, and things that should pass but did not before were actually able to pass? Two months.

I say a week or two for the revisions here because I need to make certain all mods are on the same page for what that enforcement change will be - to prevent someone enforcing on the older system or misunderstanding parts of the changes. I also say that long because we have people tied up with getting the technical back end of this site up and running properly, between everyone having IRL obligations like work, family, etc.

This is not something that can be "done in an hour" without managing to have half the mod team fuck it up because nobody is on the same page, combined with having to make a half dozen re-revisions as different people notice different things being missed, or things failing to get through that should under the newer lighter ruleset.

a reputation for being a fuckup and a liar

Maybe take a few to ask yourself who painted up that reputation, and whether all the people trying to maintain that narrative are actually being honest about why they got banned, or whether they even got banned, as half of them hide on new accounts, making claims to victimhood because they could never have done anything wrong, it must totally be the fault of the evil oppressive mods. Don't be a lazy shit while playing listen-and-believe, fucking well verify shit where you can. We maintained public mod logs for the last 4, almost 5 years on KiA, and it takes little effort to show that I was one of the vocal people calling for that transparency back before I was hired on as a mod, and I have kept that in place despite needing to go through multiple different public mod log options. We will have those active here, too, in the near future.

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YourMistaken 1 point ago +1 / -0

we were going to be revising and thinning down Rule 3

When?

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HandofBane -5 points ago +12 / -17

You are aware there are some sitewide rules here in play, right? Like "no linking to dox" because, as pointed out by TD admins, doxing violates federal law in some cases. We have dialed back on some of our older reddit rules, and will be making further adjustment to them as we go. That does not mean we will grant free rein for people to freely shit on each other.

We are serious about our mission statement, including the very last line:

We hold ourselves to be politically neutral ground, not forcing anyone to conform in their opinions, and permitting a wide variety of viewpoints to express themselves in a civil manner.

Civility has to be enforced, otherwise you're just setting fire to your own house as people shit in the floor and blame each other for it.

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Konsaki 15 points ago +15 / -0

Temporary Blacklist Items

Black Lives Matter (and surrounding political virtue signaling)

Any plans on this changing now that you're off Reddit?

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HandofBane -5 points ago +7 / -12

We will see. The temp blacklist for that expires on the... 7th I think. We may let it run out, see how things look for a few days or a week, then vote on if it needs to be reimplemented more permanently, or allowed to die off. The main issue we had was the flood of riot-posting, followed by every company under the sun doing their BLM virtue signal dance on twitter, which got way too spammy.

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Konsaki 5 points ago +6 / -1

Understandable but I had to ask.