Yeah, they were absolutely gobsmacked that the whole "anyone can build their own" thing might result in Japan doing so but refusing to implement the same exact rules they did.
Or perhaps they were just surprised that Japan refused to be their new pet minority and accept cultural and social marching orders from their "betters." (White Liberal Women.)
They definitely couched it in outrage over the lolis, which falls flat given how much underage and statutory rape fanfic is on their tumblr shipping blogs, but it was more in the fact that Japan refuses to adjust their definition of a cute girl to include 500 pound uggos with skin disorders and vaugely brown skintones.
I dont even care if they are on the lawn. I want them to stop complaining about me trying to mind my own business.
You have a bunch of terrible people, who have surrounded themselves with more terrible people to the point where they simply think everyone is terrible like them and cant be left to their own devices or else they will go on a raping spree...
It's funny. I mean reddit made it very clear that the users of the banned subs are not welcome at reddit. This should have been perfect for them. No spilling of users into other subs, all the deplorables leave for greener (or whatever) pastures. Finally reddit is free of hate.
It almost sees like they thought all these people would just stop existing online.
Reddit doesn't learn that you can't kill dissent by silencing it.
Do they though? I find it hard to believe that they really thought this move will help their goals. Do they (et al) overestimate their grip on the conversation, oder do we underestimate peoples threshold for bullshit?
[EDIT]underestimate instead of overestimate[/EDIT]
To quote the Slate Star Codex article, "Neutral vs Conservative: The Eternal Struggle," now offline due to the NYT trying to dox the liberal author for refusing to be a progressive foot soldier:
Look. I read Twitter. I know the sorts of complaints people have about this blog. I’m some kind of crypto-conservative, I’m a traitor to liberalism, I’m too quick to sell out under the guise of “compromise”. And I understand the sentiment. I write a lot about how we shouldn’t get our enemies fired lest they try to fire us, how we shouldn’t get our enemies’ campus speakers disinvited lest they try to disinvite ours, how we shouldn’t use deceit and hyperbole to push our policies lest our enemies try to push theirs the same way. And people very reasonably ask – hey, I notice my side kind of controls all of this stuff, the situation is actually asymmetrical, they have no way of retaliating, maybe we should just grind our enemies beneath our boots this one time.
And then when it turns out that the enemies can just leave and start their own institutions, with horrendous results for everybody, the cry goes up “Wait, that’s unfair! Nobody ever said you could do that! Come back so we can grind you beneath our boots some more!”
Conservatives aren’t stuck in here with us. We’re stuck in here with them. And so far it’s not going so well. I’m not sure if any of this can be reversed. But I think maybe we should consider to what degree we are in a hole, and if so, to what degree we want to stop digging.
It was one of the (very) few places where you could actually hold discourse, and could actually disagree with one another.
One interesting measure of a site is how far of an outlier your views can visibly be while still being welcomed and discussed, and SSC was the winner on that metric. By far.
There's a strong distinction between "no-one can say another person's view is incorrect" and remaining calm while holding rational discourse in the face of disagreements. They are both "welcoming" in some sense; the latter is what I'm looking for.
SSC is/was the latter; the subreddits were both leaning toward the former from what I saw before I left.
I'd like somewhere where someone can go "yes, given these axioms that's valid logic from there" (or "no, that's invalid reasoning given this value-set and here's why") without going "I don't hold these axioms so these axioms are WRONG, end of story". If that makes sense.
More like they expect everyone to drink the kool-aid.
By which I mean, a lot of people seem to expect that if you always force everyone to signal X, people with dissenting opinions will sooner or later go "everyone else is signaling X so X must be correct".
It's way over-naive naive Bayesian analysis taken to an extreme. i.e. "I think X is 10% likely, this person thinks X is definitely true, so I'll adjust to 11%, this person thinks X is definitely true so I'll adjust to 12%, etc, etc, X is definitely likely".
In practice, what happens is instead "I think X is 10% likely, but am being pushed to say X. This person says X is definitely true, but I think there's an 80% chance that everyone is being pushed to say X not just me. Adjust to 11% likely. This other person says X is also definitely true, but I think there's an 80% chance that everyone is being pushed to say X not just me and I'm not going to double-count. I still think X is 11% likely, and now think there's an 81% chance that everyone is being pushed to say X. Repeat.".
(This is also overly naive, but gets the idea across hopefully.)
We used to exist in Reddit, and had multiple places linking to us claiming we were toxic. The way I see it, it only ever served to bolster our popularity.
More advertisement of our new home can only be a good thing.
I think we are actually the one they have to be scared about seeing make the jump, more than others, as we worked within the reddit rules better than most subs actively, and our taking this step despite not even being quarantined shows a hard vote of No Confidence in the reddit admins.
Reddit claims it anti hate speech and anti violence but it has been allowing rampant cop hate and cop threats for over a month now. Every default sub is flooded with stuff like ACAB and more violent language.
The site has been given over to the lunatic fringe left.
Its absolutely insufferable. I had to unsub from /technology beacuse its just story after story about politics and its overrun with woke idiots. Any logic expressed is downvoted to hell.
And /news .. my god. Its a gathering of every story they can find to paint cops and white people as bad. With the headlines almost always being misleading or outright lies
This article smacks of anger, that we weren't lined up against the wall, and escaped to fight another day. Or just sad that they have no real control. Either way...delicious.
They just can’t stand it. They thought they had an iron grip on the Internet narrative and now they are seeing it slip between their fingers.
No doubt a coordinated effort is already underway to try and get ICANN to rescind the .win registrations with the likes of the shitheads at Google and CNN leading the charge.
So what, we're just not allowed to exist? How's that supposed to work in a world where clearly not everyone can agree on shit yet you're basically trying to outlaw opposing viewpoints.
The idea is to get into a self-perpetuating scheme where everyone hears everyone else saying X, so they think that they themselves must be mistaken. And then over time you get everyone thinking X too.
In practice this relies on way-overly-naive Bayesian analysis, and isn't what happens at all.
NOOOOO! YOU CANT JUST START YOUR OWN FORUM WHERE WE CANT CENSOR YOU!!!! THAT IS RACIST, SEXIST, HOMOPHOBIC AND BIGOTED. Fuck them. Their tears sustain me.
“Banned for commonly spreading misinformation?” All of the descriptions in that article of other “toxic” subreddits that have migrated to .win are misleading, subjective, or just false. Hello pot, I’m kettle...
I'm kind of surprised they're drawing attention to this idea. Surely the plan would be to ignore it for now in the hope that it dies from lack of interest.
Nearly a top 1000 website already though, so maybe they see the writing on the wall.
I just hope we don't ever have a GenderCritical.win.
It's exhausting.
Unless it's a Japanese instance of Mastodon.
Yeah, they were absolutely gobsmacked that the whole "anyone can build their own" thing might result in Japan doing so but refusing to implement the same exact rules they did.
Or perhaps they were just surprised that Japan refused to be their new pet minority and accept cultural and social marching orders from their "betters." (White Liberal Women.)
They perhaps weren't expecting the lolis. I'm not sure if I should be glad or disappointed they never seemed to stumble upon the guro.
Thank god for the language barrier I guess.
They definitely couched it in outrage over the lolis, which falls flat given how much underage and statutory rape fanfic is on their tumblr shipping blogs, but it was more in the fact that Japan refuses to adjust their definition of a cute girl to include 500 pound uggos with skin disorders and vaugely brown skintones.
Basically, "muh male gaze."
They never actually mean for you to really DO it. It's just meant to be a thought-terminating cliche.
I dont even care if they are on the lawn. I want them to stop complaining about me trying to mind my own business.
You have a bunch of terrible people, who have surrounded themselves with more terrible people to the point where they simply think everyone is terrible like them and cant be left to their own devices or else they will go on a raping spree...
It's funny. I mean reddit made it very clear that the users of the banned subs are not welcome at reddit. This should have been perfect for them. No spilling of users into other subs, all the deplorables leave for greener (or whatever) pastures. Finally reddit is free of hate.
It almost sees like they thought all these people would just stop existing online.
Do they though? I find it hard to believe that they really thought this move will help their goals. Do they (et al) overestimate their grip on the conversation, oder do we underestimate peoples threshold for bullshit?
[EDIT]underestimate instead of overestimate[/EDIT]
They tried to justify white hating subs by going with "unless you're in the majority". They're not sending their best.
To quote the Slate Star Codex article, "Neutral vs Conservative: The Eternal Struggle," now offline due to the NYT trying to dox the liberal author for refusing to be a progressive foot soldier:
https://archive.vn/trFCU
Wow those quotes are gold. Thanks for the link!
SSC is/was golden.
It was one of the (very) few places where you could actually hold discourse, and could actually disagree with one another.
One interesting measure of a site is how far of an outlier your views can visibly be while still being welcomed and discussed, and SSC was the winner on that metric. By far.
I'm suffering from SSC withdrawal already.
They do have two subreddits, but I have no idea how welcoming they are. The_motte and SlateStarCodex.
I already know about those, but thank you.
There's a strong distinction between "no-one can say another person's view is incorrect" and remaining calm while holding rational discourse in the face of disagreements. They are both "welcoming" in some sense; the latter is what I'm looking for.
SSC is/was the latter; the subreddits were both leaning toward the former from what I saw before I left.
I'd like somewhere where someone can go "yes, given these axioms that's valid logic from there" (or "no, that's invalid reasoning given this value-set and here's why") without going "I don't hold these axioms so these axioms are WRONG, end of story". If that makes sense.
More like they expect everyone to drink the kool-aid.
By which I mean, a lot of people seem to expect that if you always force everyone to signal X, people with dissenting opinions will sooner or later go "everyone else is signaling X so X must be correct".
It's way over-naive naive Bayesian analysis taken to an extreme. i.e. "I think X is 10% likely, this person thinks X is definitely true, so I'll adjust to 11%, this person thinks X is definitely true so I'll adjust to 12%, etc, etc, X is definitely likely".
In practice, what happens is instead "I think X is 10% likely, but am being pushed to say X. This person says X is definitely true, but I think there's an 80% chance that everyone is being pushed to say X not just me. Adjust to 11% likely. This other person says X is also definitely true, but I think there's an 80% chance that everyone is being pushed to say X not just me and I'm not going to double-count. I still think X is 11% likely, and now think there's an 81% chance that everyone is being pushed to say X. Repeat.".
(This is also overly naive, but gets the idea across hopefully.)
You must consoom product and order more product! No, not that product!
Links Polygon and Vox as proof we're evil.
Well, if they say so, it must be true. They are journalists, after all /s
oooo i'm shaking
Free advertisement is always good :)
We used to exist in Reddit, and had multiple places linking to us claiming we were toxic. The way I see it, it only ever served to bolster our popularity.
More advertisement of our new home can only be a good thing.
There's bound to be a few hate-readers that will stop and start wondering where all the harrasement is hiding.
Let them come. We may be pro-free speech, but not pro-dickwolves. They can't behave and follow rules when there's wrongthink abound.
I think we are actually the one they have to be scared about seeing make the jump, more than others, as we worked within the reddit rules better than most subs actively, and our taking this step despite not even being quarantined shows a hard vote of No Confidence in the reddit admins.
They won't care.
They let the mask slip with that mod news post.
Reddit claims it anti hate speech and anti violence but it has been allowing rampant cop hate and cop threats for over a month now. Every default sub is flooded with stuff like ACAB and more violent language.
The site has been given over to the lunatic fringe left.
Its absolutely insufferable. I had to unsub from /technology beacuse its just story after story about politics and its overrun with woke idiots. Any logic expressed is downvoted to hell.
And /news .. my god. Its a gathering of every story they can find to paint cops and white people as bad. With the headlines almost always being misleading or outright lies
The amount of salt here is hilarious.
"Nooooo how can ideas I don't like exist anywhere?!"
haha servers go brrrrr
As if we hadn’t heard that word a million, billion times before. :/
This article smacks of anger, that we weren't lined up against the wall, and escaped to fight another day. Or just sad that they have no real control. Either way...delicious.
SJWs: learn 2 code
GAMERS: Okay.
SJWs: REEEEE
Nnnnnooooo, you were suppose to wait your turn to be cancelled.
Free advertising? Neat.
They just can’t stand it. They thought they had an iron grip on the Internet narrative and now they are seeing it slip between their fingers.
No doubt a coordinated effort is already underway to try and get ICANN to rescind the .win registrations with the likes of the shitheads at Google and CNN leading the charge.
So what, we're just not allowed to exist? How's that supposed to work in a world where clearly not everyone can agree on shit yet you're basically trying to outlaw opposing viewpoints.
I mentioned this elsewhere in this thread.
The idea is to get into a self-perpetuating scheme where everyone hears everyone else saying X, so they think that they themselves must be mistaken. And then over time you get everyone thinking X too.
In practice this relies on way-overly-naive Bayesian analysis, and isn't what happens at all.
in other words "a forum on the internet" haha
NOOOOO! YOU CANT JUST START YOUR OWN FORUM WHERE WE CANT CENSOR YOU!!!! THAT IS RACIST, SEXIST, HOMOPHOBIC AND BIGOTED. Fuck them. Their tears sustain me.
Talking as if Reddit owned the internet or something.
“Banned for commonly spreading misinformation?” All of the descriptions in that article of other “toxic” subreddits that have migrated to .win are misleading, subjective, or just false. Hello pot, I’m kettle...
Gotta love how this fuckstick wanted us banned suddenly so we'd have no place to reorganize ourselves.
Implying that the word wouldn't have gotten out in some way if we didn't have any backup plans established... for the last five years.
honestly wish the fucking worst for pond scum like this who would have us nuked off the internet without any recourse
Fuck you Alex
How dare thoses we don't like have thier own places!!!!
How about its just us doing what we told you fucksticks to do...Make your own shit.
I'm kind of surprised they're drawing attention to this idea. Surely the plan would be to ignore it for now in the hope that it dies from lack of interest.
Nearly a top 1000 website already though, so maybe they see the writing on the wall.
I just hope we don't ever have a GenderCritical.win.
.win: it's over, we have the high ground.
Reddit: you underestimate my power!!!
.win: don't try it...
Sounds like an angry chapocel