Well, looks like we are launching a bit earlier than originally planned. This site is fully functional, just a bit limited on some things as we get all the backend worked out. Our CSS is a work-in-progress due to some major differences from how reddit was set up, so that will be coming, it will just look a bit barebones until then.
For the time being we still consider reddit.com/r/kotakuinaction to be our primary site, but will be building this up as a proper backup over time. We actively encourage anyone who wants to coexist on both sites to do so, and have no issue with folks who have finally had enough of reddit's bullshit that decide to make the move here completely now.
Rules are generally going to be the same here as they were on /r/kotakuinaction, but we are thinning them out a bit as some rules no longer need to apply here due to different sitewide rules/TOS from above lifting some restrictions we had to deal with. We will try to get a more complete listing of the newly modified rules up soon, as well as get them listed/linked on the Sidebar and such. Automod is not completely operational here, but will be in the very near future to make that all a bit easier to deal with.
Please be patient with us as we get things in gear. I'll try to keep everyone updated on the progress of things, though some parts will be mostly self-evident as they happen (like the return of the banner/sidebar).
This is great news.
Staying alive is the best way to spite those that would see us dead.
imagine thinkinging people care
annnnnd now I have the BeeGees in my head. thank a lot, lmao. xD
I promise not to fuck this one up.
I got my eye on you.
Welcome, KIAfrens. Glad to see you here. KIA was one of my first steps on the road to redpilling, so I'll be forever grateful for that. Make no mistake, Reddit is coming for you too, as they have came for us today. They're already soft filtering .win links (lol). Enjoy your new space!
God I miss the old reddit
New reddit is absolute cancer. It's digg 2.0 all over again. Such a shit redesign.
I loved it til I tried to use it lol. It what you get when you shovel in "diversity" hires, not hire on merit
Same here. I remember it like it was just yesterday joining Reddit for the first time in its first year, an immigrant from 4chan /b/, and the influence of /b/tards was still very strong back then (to the point where most of the humor-related subs were all largely just soft extensions of /b/) and debate and argument were the norm. And it carried a strong atmosphere of 'if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.'
Aside from the dark period of getting swept up in the circlejerk of /r/atheism, it was truly a special time and place for a little while. And yet now look at it. In signing up here I was reminded of all the accounts I lost in recent years simply because they couldn't tolerate differences of opinion. It would be amazing, in a way, if it weren't so disappointing to see how toxic Reddit has become. If anything, Reddit is even worse now than Digg ever was, even at the end.
You guys wanted free speech. We were always for it.
Show up and put your fingers where... your... mouth is?
KiA was KIA long ago. That's why KiA2 was created, but I'd be that they were wiped out by now too.
KIA2 is still very much up and running. Even looking at making their own lifeboat.
Was that before or after a TD mod made the provably false accusation that our entire mod team was replaced with plants when david-me tried killing the sub?
I'll make clear - we had no problem with TD existing, and mostly wanted to be left to our own shit, as we were an extremely politically diverse sub, including a lot of lefties, and quite a few right wingers both in the community and on our mod team. We enjoyed being able to have complicated discussions on issues from different perspectives without either side entrenching and shutting down the other side of the conversation. We also came into the decision to set up here after lengthy talks with several of the site TD.win site admins about some of those very things.
We aren't here to try to take over, or displace anyone else. We are here to be what we always have been, with a bit more freedom to actually do what we used to do.
Quoting what I think is the part of that you are referring to - if it's not, please correct me.
That statement is ambiguous enough to place the hostility at the feet of both parties, it's not stating anything about provoking. I fully understand mods getting annoyed at inconsistencies from the reddit admins, I've had to deal with that shit on a regular basis since I was first hired on as a mod at KiA back in mid-2015, and it only escalated in some ways after I became head mod in mid-late 2016. I also have direct experience in dealing with both hostility from some admins, and getting actual almost-friendly cooperation from other admins because we all stepped back to look at the broader picture from their view as well as our own on some issues.
That clearly is going to be a lot harder on more firmly established political lines when it's blatantly obvious most reddit admins are in deep blue San Francisco, and are going to carry over TDS in many of the interactions with TD itself.
My reference to the one TD mod making a false accusation was a very specific incident right around when they were having their "admin approved mod replacement" mess happen, when one of their mods (not sure if he was active or had been forcefully removed) made the accusation of the KiA mod team being entirely replaced with admin plants during the david incident. We got that ironed out to a degree with the site admins here during our discussions leading up to where we are now - it's not a view held by all or even most TD mods, just one guy expressing his view based on faulty information in a very public way... that happened to sour the view from a lot of our mods on chances of maintaining neutrality towards TD itself.
Glad to see you here.
There's some antifa and communist trolls who have flooded to TD to discredit it, if some people are openly hostile and wearing the banner of TD just ignore 'em.
Welcome! I hope this platform serves you well, and I hope some shitlords don't get you down.
We're all here in favor of free speech, I hope you enjoy your stay!
It's comical to imagine you could ever take over .win.
Anyways, the left has lost its fucking mind, so it's no surprise that censorship was necessary to "balance" the discussion on Kia.
At one point you were, then all the right-wingers were forced out. I don't understand how you can still claim to be right-wing when all your opinions and actions are that of a hardcore social leftist?
You personally shut down discussion after discussion because you didn't like where it was heading or because someone made an argument you didn't like. That's not counting all the threads and potential threads that died because of the hard enforcement of "games/media only" to the point where even posts about media attacks on Pewdiepie were removed.
People have very little faith in your modlist and expect that you will continue to allow your mods to act free of their own rules, to shut down meaningful conversations, and to hard push leftist social ideology while pretending you aren't.
*checks the mod list*
I love when women do it, are you horny now?
Mmm,...this place is a hot alternative to Reddit!
Welcome, new .win friends! So glad to have you all here. <3
Hey how do I navigate to other .win subs or whatever they are called here?
Edit: Do I have to actually type in whatever.win or is there a way to all it?
As of now, yes. Mods/devs are discussing other options for easier tagging somewhere down the road.
There are active links to all existing communities over on https://communities.win/ that you can navigate from, though I expect that to get tougher as more are added to the pool over time.
Fancy seeing you here.
Well.. EYE'LL BEE.
I see you.
Ohaiyou, sekai! Good morning, world!
Hell yeah, is this the first 'SubDonald?'
MetaCanada set up over as OmegaCanada.win a few days back. I think we are the first gaming-related community here, and we have a much larger reddit-side userbase than they did.
Excellent! Today is a good day -- the Left's endless censorship will prove to be their fatal mistake. There's a reason wars have been fought over it.
1st gaming SubDonald lol
Awesome to see KIA on the .Win network! I fully abandoned my Reddit account of 13 years and missed KIA the most.
Dark theme master race
Dark theme looks great, welcome!
Red 5 standing by.
Red 3 standing by. My mustache is ready to kill commies and imperials.
Red Lobster standing by. Eyes on the prize buckos
Red Foxx standing by...
Red Green (and duct tape) standing by.
Red Grange running by.
Hello KiA. :)
Im liking the neon green dark theme here
That's not very inclusive language, faggot.
Somebody report this gay-boi-fag-boomer to Spez.
Spez? Senpai? Oh, he's probably busy having Pizza with extra walnut sauce...
You guys are awesome. Ive never heard of kotakuinaction til today, but I fucking hate Kotaku
How wrong of me to assume there was a connection.
Wait, are we allowed to call retarded faggots retarded faggots again?
Thats right, Faggot.
THERE IS NO SPEZ.
Anyone here from KIA2?
Gonna give this place a chance though, at least until we move over here. I'm hoping their community and mods and merge happily here getting the band back together, that'd be pretty neato since the issues that forced them apart won't be an issue here, but I expect not.
As I mentioned in the OP, we will be cutting down on some of the rules we had in place. The one that will take the longest to sort out will, of course, be the ever-controversial Rule 3, but that is getting some modification.
Our "olive branch" is that we are not preemptively banning any users who got banned previously on KiA (under the same name) unless they manage to fuck up and immediately throw themselves across the line of rules that are not being changed - the most obvious example being TentElephant who has been shouting about his own getting banned here... for making his first comment here outright IDpol antisemitic shit with a "Hitler did nothing wrong" thrown in at the end. We are willing to grant a bit more leeway on a lot of things, but that's gonna be a hard no for anyone.
About that, until we at least see AoV and DoM in the modlist, I'm not gonna believe a damn word about "olive branches"
That.... what would be interesting.
When we had our last batch of new mod hiring, NoTalent reached out with my approval to ask Dom and Clockwork to apply - neither chose to do so.
So you already burned that bridge, got it.
What kind of "modifications" are going to be done to R3 here? I was alright with the one you guys had in the original subreddit myself.
I sincerely hope you don't fuck with the "unrelated politics" clause and give leeway to the guys who keep claiming how every last damned political event that happens is somehow relevant to gaming/entertainment/nerd culture without even making any effort to tie such things into gaming/entertainment/nerd culture. It's blatantly obvious they want to push their own partisan crap.
You know very well that people who indulge in politics often make exceptions when it comes to respecting entertainment as free speech, especially if it involves fanservice or porn. Please don't give such assholes an inch.
We are still going to be debating exactly what changes happen to it. One thing that will likely not change is Unrelated Politics being off limits, though how it is kept off limits may be adjusted (whether it's kept as-is or altered to more explicitly define what things count as unrelated/verboten). I think we only have one mod making any argument to remove it as a blacklist item, and even he is only doing so because he thinks the other blacklist items and "lack of hitting whitelist" will curtail things that the blacklist item is meant to prevent in the first place.
I am less than convinced by that argument, but it's something we will be discussing over the next couple weeks.
Yeah, I'm not convinced by this argument either. You have to specify what isn't allowed to be included just as much as what must be included in a post. Otherwise, people will try to find loopholes.
No one from full kia would give any place run by half Kia commies the time of day.
Yep giving it ago.
I hope a lot of the ego stuff gets left over at reddit.
It will be interesting if these mods offer Antonio or DoM a mod position. That might help with the concerns from KiA2 but I think there has been to much water gone under the bridge for that to happen.
I am. Waiting to see how this place gets fucked up with some point system and the mods ignoring the user base again.
You can't say blacklist anymore. It's dehumanizing to BIPOC brothers and sisters by associating bad with black. "Whitelists" are proof of white supremacy and privilege, where only those deemed 'white' enough are allowed to benefit from the racist system.
BLM BLM BLM
Me, but I'm also a TD user.
Spez thinks that CCP money will keep flowing in but he don't know how commies work. Xi will drop his ass as soon as he finds out Reddit is getting smaller.
And Spezs butthole gets a little bigger. Winnie the Pooh mad
Xinnie the Pooh.
Welcome aboard! It'll be nice to get some games discussion back. :)
I'm new here. What do you guys talk about in kotakuinaction?
From their reddit sidebar: "KotakuInAction is the main hub for GamerGate on Reddit and welcomes discussion of community, industry, and media issues in gaming and broader nerd culture, including sci-fi/fantasy, comics, and animation."
I in no means intend to answer in place of members from the subreddit, I too would like an opinion from the inside.
I tried visiting the old site to see what it was about, but its banned. (obv)
Love all the humor so far here tho haha
Love the username. Me too, who knew .win would become such a movement in so little time. It's great.
It started with gamergate but its basically about sjw overtake of video games, and more broadly media/movies/nerd stuff in general
we talk about SJWs in Entertainment media
Welcome Kotakupedes. Yours was one I used to frequent on Reddit and I’m glad you’re here!
Thank. Christ this site is finally here. It's basically the only one I missed after leaving reddit for good.
KiA and a bunch of small niche subs for me.
I think one of my top comments back at the old place was a ramble at someone with a checklist of things to watch out for power delivery for mixed analog/digital circuitry.
Really, that sort of thing has long stopped being appreciated at the old place. So I moved on. And now I am here.
Awesome. I jumped from reddit pretty much entirely a while back - excited to see this place up and running.
Many people did, even with there not really being anyplace to go.
Now that there is a seed crystal, such people - you and I included - will likely nucleate around it given time.
Same haha, this neon green dark theme is cool, and everyone seems funny here
finally I can post "as a game developer."
edit: I just realized my name is anita lul. no Im not that anita.
What did you have to do over back in the wasteland site?
I mostly lurk there but there are times when I want to chime in especially on topics that involves japanese game development/developers(where I spent 8 years of my game dev life and stil,hang out with former coworkers). I guess I can do that here from time to time but I'll still lurk most of the time.
this is pretty great. Its awesome to see people be proactive and say fuck off to censorship
Welcome to .win
Wow its like all my favorite reddit subs coming here. We just need Wallstreetbets and I can throw away my reddit account
yes, please! Those were my favorite autists besides TD.
edit: also use https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite to shred your reddit account there if youre so inclined! Very invigorating shredding my 6 year old account
can wallstreetbets be included here? I mean it's basically a gambling forum lol.
Yo, this shit is popping off. I fucking love it.
Hope this transition works out well, no KIA and I'll be completely off reddit, though would miss some hentai subs, but hey, if this site gets more widely adopted would be awesome to have those subs on a site that doesn't ban 90% of anime characters from being lewded
Greetings from TD.win!!
Hi guys! Posting from TD. It's awesome that logins work cross domain. Hope you guys enjoy your new home!
Are you guys going to allow all the people from KiA2 to come or is the division going to continue outside of reddit?
A lot of the previous rules of the sub were due to excessive brigading from other subs. Now that its not an issue will a lot of those rules be repealed.
Will the rule 3 (posting guidelines) be completely abolished? Modified (and if so what level of modification)
Will the rules on posting twitter and facebook and that stuff be relaxed?
Is meta stuff allowed e.g. other reddit happenings drama etc.?
I gave you a partial answer over on KiA2 in my olive branch post, but I'll get into a bit more detail here.
We are not auto-banning anyone for having participated there, we are also not renewing bans on people who had been permanently banned in the past that chose to migrate to 2. We do recognize a lot of names from banned people, and if the first thing someone does is come over here to start shit, they will find themselves taking a long vacation on the spot... but if they come here, chill, and try to work within the new ruleset, we will gladly let them hang around.
We are still refining some parts of the rules before making them public (and waiting on the CSS import to be completed as there are a lot of technical changes between reddit and here that don't make it easy). Some rules will be mostly the same (no reposts, archive shit sites, etc), others will have minor or major revisions - in particular Rule 1, 2, 5 are getting some alterations to make them a bit lighter so we don't have to enforce nearly as hard as we did in the past. Rule 9 is being eliminated outright, though you'd still have to show some kind of relevance under other rules for posts about meta things to stay.
The big one that you and others want to know specifically about is Rule 3, though. Rule 3 will be trimmed down some, but we aren't in remotely a ready position to commit in entirety to which parts are being cut back and which are staying. I expect that to take us a couple weeks to iron out, barring anything else getting in the way. It will not be abolished, but should be a bit easier to work with - and we will retain the policy of "if you aren't sure you can make it fit, you can reach out to us via modmail or similar to see if we can help find a way to make it work".
Twitter/Facebook stuff is going to be relaxed a bit, though we will still retain some hard borders regarding what point we consider "this is viable public info" vs "this counts as dox" - and we will try to make that border as clear as possible going in. One thing that is going to be easier on everyone is that we no longer have the "two clicks out" enforcement to worry about here that we had to do on reddit. That makes it a whole hell of a lot easier to post things like articles which happen to include embedded tweets from technical-nobodies.
Awesome thanks for the update.
If anything I would suggest pulling back hard on rule 3 and then if you need to tighten up on it do it later. This will generate more activity and help with the speed bump for people migrating away from reddit.
Most of us were only on there by this point for KiA or KiA2 but drawing in the good content posters like BVR, TorontoDLTutor, scatteryourmonsters, md1480, YESmovement, CisSiberianOrchestra etc.to start submitting will help the transition.
BVR is already here (he just had to get to bed finally), and we reached out to md1957 as well before making the public announcement. Other users may or may not come, we will just have to see where things end up.
Rule 3 should end up lighter than it currently is, but we have a lot of debate to have over which parts will stay, which will be able to be cut back, and which parts are intended to stop specific behavior tying into other rules (usually R1 and R7) that may have alternative methods of dealing with the problem they were there to address.
I see you left Shadist on your mod team.